Leica M7 à la carte

The M7 à la carte is my dream camera and I expect to use it for the rest of my, hopefully, long life. But, will I be able to put a roll of Velvia or ilford through it in 10 years? What about 20?

Honestly, I'd be wondering about this too. Sure, film will still be around, but who knows how much of a niche it will be and how many manufactuers will be making it.

That would make me just buy a regular M7 instead of a $5000-6000 a la carte. Dreams disippate, so who knows how you will feel after a few weeks of owning your a la carte. Then again, I bought a M9 and there could be major issues with that in 10 years too.
 
I didn't think of the demise of film before I decided on an ala carte M7. After using one I decided a M7 was a perfect M for me, and then thought, why not have a M7 made just for me the way I want it?

Seriously, I don't dread about what might or might not happen in 10 or 20 years. I have a huge stockpile of B+W film in the freezer and more Rodinal than I'll need for years to come. I'll work through my film ( color is almost gone ) and keep shooting away.

You might want to take a step back and reconsider if you are concerned about the future of film.
 
Here's the way I look at it.

One can still purchase 4x5 sheet film, even Velvia 50. How many people used 4x5 sheet film 20 years ago? A lot more than today, for sure, but far fewer than 35mm shooters 20 years ago.

Since 4x5 is still available today, I have no doubt that 35mm will be available far into the future.
 
B&W film will never completely go away. It's too easy to manufacture. It may become a very expensive niche, but in the years before that happens, you'll have plenty of opportunities to fill a freezer cheaply. B&W film has a very long effective lifespan.

Color film is another question, although 35mm would be the absolute last format to go away, because that's the format used for motion picture release prints. When they discontinue 120 and 4x5, fill another freezer with color 35mm. If stored properly, color film can last a decade or more.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you choose the "Classic" top cover in the configurator, it automatically removes the "M7" front engraving and red dot logo. I just want to make sure, because I don't want either of those things. I want it to look as much like a classic M3 or M4 as possible.
 
You'll need to work with a dealer that knows what they are doing. 🙂

I'm pretty sure deleting the M7 logo is NOT automatic...neither is deleting the red dot...
 
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You'll need to work with a dealer that knows what they are doing. 🙂

I'm pretty sure deleting the M7 logo is NOT automatic...neither is deleting the red dot...

Why I wanted to make sure I got the camera I wanted. No M7 or dot in front.

I also asked for 28, 35, 50mm only framelines but didn't get that request--not Precision's decline, but Leica. I wanted the hotshoe and ring above advance lever to be black paint, but got black chrome. I contacted David Elwell and he said there isn't any BP hotshoe or ring--odd I thought.

Either way, figure out exactly what you want, tell you dealer, they'll confirm with Leica if you can have your way, and then you'll know. Wow, $6K for my ala carte M7 now!
 
I can't see spending $8000 on a M9 that will be obsolete in a few years. Is $6000 on a M7 a similar situation?

Thoughts? Some of you have shiny new Leicas, did you go through a similar thought process before pulling the trigger? (Maybe "snapping the shutter" is a more apropo idiom here 🙂)

When I went through the thought process it was with the knowledge that I had invested in some M or M-mount lenses already. I have spent about $1000 for film (which is stacked in the freezer) and still got great deals on it. I have enough to shoot with for 5 years easy. You will invest in film and development and that cost will likely put you close to the M9 quickly. But the answer lies in this - do you want to shoot film? And if the answer is yes, you will find the means and the film to do it.

And I had the option of getting an M9 (the M7 was a gift from my very generous wife!) and I turned it down. The M7 is a 23 megapixel camera when paired with my film scanner. I don't imagine it being replaced by a new film model, unlike digital. Would I like an M9/10? maybe someday, but with the small format cameras like the Nex from Sony, I can adapt to digital for 1/10th the price!

And to answer another question, I do belive that the classic engraving will remove everything form the front (M7 and red dot) and it will look like an MP. I opted for no engraving and really like the clean look.
 
I needed to have my moment of doubt to make sure I had thought everything through.

I've started the process of getting it ordered from digitalintrigue.
 
Here's the way I look at it.

One can still purchase 4x5 sheet film, even Velvia 50. How many people used 4x5 sheet film 20 years ago? A lot more than today, for sure, but far fewer than 35mm shooters 20 years ago.

Since 4x5 is still available today, I have no doubt that 35mm will be available far into the future.


I agree. Supply may not be as fluid as even three or five years ago, but this talk of demise is plain silly. The "film is dead" observations, to me, are like those of the financial markets: the moment they see a negative number the reaction is to panic.

It is more expensive and less convenient, yes. But not dead.
 
The M7 à la carte is my dream camera and I expect to use it for the rest of my, hopefully, long life. But, will I be able to put a roll of Velvia or ilford through it in 10 years? What about 20? I know that film is still profitable for companies to produce; however, i worry that at some point it will become such a niche market that film will become too expensive for an average person to use.

Until now the most money I've spent on a camera has been a used M4. If I can't use it in 10 years it becomes a nice collectors item. The M7 becomes a very expensive "mistake" (not quite the word I am looking for, but you get the point.) I can't see spending $8000 on a M9 that will be obsolete in a few years. Is $6000 on a M7 a similar situation?

A lot of people stockpile film and keep it in the freezer. I don't have that much in the freezer, but it is enough to last for at least another few years, given my shooting habits.

The question of whether an a la carte M7 is 'worth it' can be answered with a thought experiment. Say you were able to shoot film for the next 20 years and then suddenly film production and development ceased. Which would you prefer to shoot with for this 20 year period, finances being amicable: a stock M4, or a M7 completely customized to your desires?

You say that an a la carte M7 is your dream camera, but you seem to put a qualifier on that, in that is is ONLY your dream camera IF you can use it for the rest of your life. Is that the deciding factor?

Leica has carefully built the image of a 'camera for life' as an appeal to traditional values, but this is a romantic notion that is, while very attractive, unfortunately a fallacy. Nothing lasts forever. Not even you. What if you reach an age where your vision cannot focus a rangefinder properly? What becomes of your M7 then?

Someone buying a Nikon D3x or Canon 1Ds Mk IV doesn't ask these kinds of questions, and they are spending at least as much money or more. That is because they are looking at the lifetime of the camera, not themselves, and weighing up the shooting experience and results with the investment required.

The M9 will not suddenly stop taking pictures when a new model comes out, so spending that kind of money is more about how long the camera itself will last, how long you will want to shoot with it, and whether its output and operation will satisfy you for that time period.

There are many DSLR's that are coming up to the 10 year mark and they are still working, and I am sure that a M9 will still be working in ten years time. Paying a few hundred dollars a year to shoot virtually unlimited photos at M9 quality is a price I happily pay. The more I shoot with it, the cheaper it becomes.

I shoot my cameras for now, and for as long as they last. Sure, I'd love a good camera that I could shoot with forever. And time passes, things change, and people change.
 
Well, I received my M7 on Thursday and here it is.

First impressions are that I'm very happy with it, but I'll save the full review until I put a few rolls through it. One thing's for sure, it absolutely gorgeous!
 

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