david b
film shooter
If Leica had used a Sony sensor, would they have a FF camera now?
Ororaro
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david b said:
Hummm, let's see...
If Leica was using a Kodak sensor (yeah, the company that had FF sensors WAY BEFORE Canon and Nikon did), would it have a FF sensor today?
david b
film shooter
Just wondering as I know nothing about the M8 and I am thinking about getting one.
Sorry to waste your time with such a silly question.
Sorry to waste your time with such a silly question.
Joe Mondello
Resu Deretsiger
NB23 said:
Leica IS using a Kodak sensor in the M8.
literiter
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david b said:
I am at a point in my life I could easily purchase this camera, along with some lenses and a upgrade or two. Put to it I'm sure many people posting to this site could manage the $10,000 or so dollars, if it was really important to them.
I wonder if most people who consider a camera like this aren't more interested in the name than the camera. Far more creative tools may not have the Leica name but their utility may be far, far more.
BigSteveG
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What's all this about a $1,200 screen for the M8? Can't some plastic 3rd party protector be purchased? What are the other upgrades being offered? I paid 12.95 or so for a replacement for my D200....and I thought that was overpriced.
tomasis
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Ned, If you have only one camera M8 with 50mm lens (no other things). I bet you cannot live with 67mm as main lens fov 
it becomes tele, right?
I wish you would bounce on the wall when you step back while composing It is very lucky for you that you are film hardcore. I'm coming back to film due all that damn FOV, DOF thing no matter how you don't understand all this.
Imagine when you are in very narrow room with M8 and 28mm but you cannot take shots you'd used with film i.e. very wide shots. Walls say stop unless you have a hammer to make holes in the walls.
it becomes tele, right? I wish you would bounce on the wall when you step back while composing
It is very lucky for you that you are film hardcore. I'm coming back to film due all that damn FOV, DOF thing no matter how you don't understand all this.Imagine when you are in very narrow room with M8 and 28mm but you cannot take shots you'd used with film i.e. very wide shots. Walls say stop unless you have a hammer to make holes in the walls.
literiter
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BigSteveG said:
I think the selling point is that the screen costs $1200.00. If it were less it would contravene the "Leica Act". Then we'd have something gross like a Canon or god help us a Nikon and then we'd be obliged to take photos intead of trying to create photo ops.
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
NB23 said:
BZZZZZZT
Maybe I didn't explain it properly.
@ f1.4, given the same distance to subject, the DOF is impacted and is different on a crop sensor versus a full frame sensor. This is especially noticeable with longer lenses than with wide angle lenses (obviously).
http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2007/09/sensor-size-and-depth-of-field.html
http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0710/tech-tips.html
Specifically, from the second link as Chuck Westfall of Canon states:
Dave
Ororaro
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Joe Mondello said:
That was exactly my point.
Ororaro
Well-known
dcsang said:
That's only true if you reframe, *if you MOVE*. If you recompose. Otherwise, the DOF stays the same. THE SAME.
Find a D2X ans test for yourself. Or wait for the files I will upload sometime in the future.
Ororaro
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tomasis said:Ned, If you have only one camera M8 with 50mm lens (no other things). I bet you cannot live with 67mm as main lens fov
I wish you would bounce on the wall when you step back while composing
Imagine when you are in very narrow room with M8 and 28mm but you cannot take shots you'd used with film i.e. very wide shots. Walls say stop unless you have a hammer to make holes in the walls.
You seem forgetting the basic rule #1 in photography: Composition. Shooting with Primes (often with only 1 prime on a camera), I will often be confromted with Walls, streets, cars and garbage along sidewalks. The only way to overcome those is by using imagination and composing images accordingly. I don't give a penny about 50mm becoming 67mm. I just compose the way I see it on the spot with a pre-set F stop. And in this regard, the DOF is a moot point.
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
NB23 said:
I know what you're saying - but at minimal focus distance (that is, the closest one can get with the same lens - in most cases with the Leica 50mm lenses it's approx 3ft.) you cannot "reframe" without impacting the DOF - therefore - the DOF is impacted by the size of the sensor.
Dave
bottley1
only to feel
same lens same aperture same viewpoint, depth of field the same irrespective of sensor size!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tomasis
Well-known
Ned, lets drop about DOF I wish to talk about that to you eye to eye some day..
How about hyperfocal lenght? If you say that it is about to move one's own ass, how about ditching all your lenses except one 50mm, to me? I can tell you my adress to mail all lenses stuffs Agreed?
I wish to talk about that to you eye to eye some day..How about hyperfocal lenght? If you say that it is about to move one's own ass, how about ditching all your lenses except one 50mm, to me? I can tell you my adress to mail all lenses stuffs
Agreed?BigSteveG
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Leica is becoming less and less about photography w/ every new product. I think I'll stick my film M's and pick a Hassy body while they're cheap. When the digi-backs come down I'll be ready.
tomasis
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bottley you are here again I see who is behind the camera
I see who is behind the camera
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
bottley1 said:
I no longer have my 40D (only 2 5D's) so I wish I could explain myself a bit better because obviously I'm not doing a good enough job.
What I'm trying to drive at is, for example, at minimum focus distance
say; using a 50mm on an SLR you can get to approx 45cm but having to recompose
with the crop sensor it will impact the DOF catch my drift?
Dave
tomasis
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dcsang, maybe not better to try convince them unless they have digital cameras to use in real life I just thought I made a favour to you to save time Also for me
I just thought I made a favour to you to save time Also for me
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
tomasis said:dcsang, maybe not better to try convince them unless they have digital cameras to use in real life
Good point - it's a difficult concept to grasp without having different digital SLRS (or RF's) at your disposal.
Dave