excellent
Well-known
All new m9's are rumored to have gps style devices which means your pictures may be able to be downloaded by anyone and everyone via hack. This kind of technology is new enough that there is little security for the owner. (remember paris hiltons cellphone pics) Is it worth buying an M9 just to have your images stolen?
Phoenix
Member
"Is it worth buying an M9 just to have your images stolen?"
Is it worth posting such a rumor?
Is it worth posting such a rumor?
david.elliott
Well-known
Even assuming that the rumor is credible, I highly doubt that anybody is going to run around stealing your photos.
You arent a celebrity.
Your photos dont contain financial information or anything worth taking.
Ooooo the photos of your cat, the plant in the corner room, various family snapshots, and the slurpee you picked up at 7-eleven were stolen!
You arent a celebrity.
Your photos dont contain financial information or anything worth taking.
Ooooo the photos of your cat, the plant in the corner room, various family snapshots, and the slurpee you picked up at 7-eleven were stolen!
swoop
Well-known
Leica is the slowest company in the world to adopt new technology. There's no way in hell a GPS is in the M9. And with a battery life in the M8 of about 500 shots. That's the last thing they should be including.
bwcolor
Veteran
I don't understand, how are your images stolen with a GPS integrated into the camera?
swoop
Well-known
exactly. You'd need built in wifi as well.
Mephiloco
Well-known
That's not how GPS works, just so you know. Also, several point and shoot cameras already have this technology and it's been recieved very well. It makes it significantly easier to tag/organize photos when they all have the Latitude/Longitude at which they were shot.
and as far as someone 'hacking' it (you referenced Paris Hilton) that is in no way possible. Cell phones are different as they have network connectivity, be it GSM, GPRS, 3G, Wifi, etc. Those pictures were taken from 'cellphones' due to a flaw in a service offered by T-Mobile in which your cell phone numbers, pictures, etc were essentially backed up to their servers which were web accessible. Security was comprimised on the servers which had the contents of the phones. The phones themselves were never comprimised, and had they been it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to do via GPS.
GPS != data connection. You can't send pictures over gps, you can't send text messages over gps. Gps is EXTREMELY slow, so slow that it takes a gps reciever 30 seconds to find out what time it is (30 bits/second). To transmit a 5 mb jpeg over GPS (which is impossible) it would take 388 Hours. That's 16 days, for 1 5mb jpeg.
It's also worth pointing out that there's a difference between a GPS reciever and a GPS transmitter. A camera would only have a reciever, meaning it could only recieve GPS data (ie Time and bearings) and would be technically unable to transmit any data of any kind. Some cell phones MIGHT transmit gps data, but it's not entirely necessary as depending on the area a cell phone can be triangulated by using the towers inside of a couple hundred meters (in some areas only down to 1000 meter radius). But still, it's not worth the cost to put in a transmitter that would not be used in the vast majority of the units.
So yeah, if the m9 did/does have a GPS in it, it is technically impossible that the security of your camera could be 'comprimised' in a way that you pictures could be stolen from the camera. The very worst that could happen via gps is that you could get wrong GPS data, and you'd have the wrong location and/or time on some of your pictures, but even then it would require a great deal of effort to do something so trivial.
and as far as someone 'hacking' it (you referenced Paris Hilton) that is in no way possible. Cell phones are different as they have network connectivity, be it GSM, GPRS, 3G, Wifi, etc. Those pictures were taken from 'cellphones' due to a flaw in a service offered by T-Mobile in which your cell phone numbers, pictures, etc were essentially backed up to their servers which were web accessible. Security was comprimised on the servers which had the contents of the phones. The phones themselves were never comprimised, and had they been it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to do via GPS.
GPS != data connection. You can't send pictures over gps, you can't send text messages over gps. Gps is EXTREMELY slow, so slow that it takes a gps reciever 30 seconds to find out what time it is (30 bits/second). To transmit a 5 mb jpeg over GPS (which is impossible) it would take 388 Hours. That's 16 days, for 1 5mb jpeg.
It's also worth pointing out that there's a difference between a GPS reciever and a GPS transmitter. A camera would only have a reciever, meaning it could only recieve GPS data (ie Time and bearings) and would be technically unable to transmit any data of any kind. Some cell phones MIGHT transmit gps data, but it's not entirely necessary as depending on the area a cell phone can be triangulated by using the towers inside of a couple hundred meters (in some areas only down to 1000 meter radius). But still, it's not worth the cost to put in a transmitter that would not be used in the vast majority of the units.
So yeah, if the m9 did/does have a GPS in it, it is technically impossible that the security of your camera could be 'comprimised' in a way that you pictures could be stolen from the camera. The very worst that could happen via gps is that you could get wrong GPS data, and you'd have the wrong location and/or time on some of your pictures, but even then it would require a great deal of effort to do something so trivial.
Mephiloco
Well-known
GPS uses an extremely low amount of current. Hell, I remember when my father and I would go camping, maybe 14 years ago, and we had an old Garmin GPS we'd bring (and then sometimes bring fishing to use with the fish finder) and that would literally last a couple weeks (at least) being constantly on. I couldn't see the impact on battery life with GPS costing you more than 1 shot.
Avotius
Some guy
That is the craziest rumor I have heard in a long time, right up there with the Chinese rumor that American/Europeans only eat sweat bread and milk and we don't have any other kinds of foods. Totally mindless and stupid asumptions.
ZeissFan
Veteran
This reminds of e-mails that my wife receives, that usually begin something like this:
"Please read this immediately and forward to as many people as possible. It's extremely important ..."
And then it will continue with some nonsense that contains a tiny shred of truth.
Rumors are idiotic, and Internet rumors are even dumber. And Internet photography rumors are simply in a category all their own.
"Please read this immediately and forward to as many people as possible. It's extremely important ..."
And then it will continue with some nonsense that contains a tiny shred of truth.
Rumors are idiotic, and Internet rumors are even dumber. And Internet photography rumors are simply in a category all their own.
Praxis Unitas
Established
We are all stupider for having read this post.
Mephiloco
Well-known
The US Government is taking 'IN GOD WE TRUST' off our currency CLEARLY THIS IS THE WORK OF THE CHRIST HATING SOCIALIST BARACK OBAMA.
Disaster_Area
Gadget Monger
I don't even think you can count the Paris Hilton thing as a "hack"... her password was the name of her dog... a name half the planet knew. And her cell number wasn't exactly hard to track down either. So even IF the M9 had this kind of magic GPS functionality, as long as you kept your password as secret as say your debit pin... it would be no less safe than said debit card which you trust with all your money.
So as long as you've got more brains than Paris Hilton you're fine...
So as long as you've got more brains than Paris Hilton you're fine...
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
This mythical camera is already chock full of mythical problems.
f16sunshine
Moderator
Baaaaahhhh!
Filthing up the forum with this junk!
Filthing up the forum with this junk!
kenken
Newbie
I'm a IT professional. If you can proof YOU CAN HACK A GPS DEVICE TO STEAL ANY DATA WITHOUT ANY COMMUNICATION WAY (NOT MATTER WIRELESS OR WIRE). I will eat my M6...
sfokevin
Established
Even crazier was the rumor spread thru China that westerners preferred the cheaper petroleum based additives to their toothpaste...
PS My kitty is now pouting somewhere near 13° 45' 0" N - 100° 31' 0" E after that "not worthy of stealing" comment...
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Pablito
coco frío
And that, precisely, will be the content of most of the photographs taken with the still-rumored and yet unannounced WünderKamera. Oh, plus the hokey-bokey shots of somewhat blurry flowers with very blurry backgrounds.
Oh, the humanity!!!!
f16sunshine
Moderator
And that, precisely, will be the content of most of the photographs taken with the still-rumored and yet unannounced WünderKamera. Oh, plus the hokey-bokey shots of somewhat blurry flowers with very blurry backgrounds.
Oh, the humanity!!!!
Guilty but in recovery LOL
Turtle
Veteran
Could make things interesting if you left the live view on