Leica meters, worth buying?

Thanks for all of the replies everyone, great response to a (I thought) simple question!

At the moment the coupling feature of the MR or MR4 is appealing and I may go for a cheap one and then send it to Quality Light Metrics in California for an overhaul. If the cost gets too close to a VC then I'll probably go for that instead.
 
The MR-4 meter adds some bulk to the camera but these are still quite reliable and the coupling with the shutter-dial as also the same angle of view like a 90mm lens are nice features. Indeed, a small piece of tape helps avoiding scratches. For me it was worth buying and it is now the only "real lightmeter" I use (if any).

On the other hand, the VC meter mounted on any classic camera, reminds me of a roof-mounted luggage rack on a classic old car like a Jaguar E-type or similar ...
 
I liked the looks of my two MR meters (in silver and black), and also had them overhauled by QLM in Hollywood CA. They worked great... after a while (one of them was sent back, and I was about to send the other when decided to sell both).

They do add bulk to the camera, but also make it fairly easy to take a reading and then set aperture and shutterspeed. If you like using your Ms with the gear designed for them, the MRs are nice... Just get yourself a small handheld meter for backup (like a Sekonic L208, which is what I have).

'nuff said. Shop and be happy! 😉
 
Repairs in UK - II

Repairs in UK - II

Hi (again),

I should have said that my old 30's Leicameter, 40's Westons etc were done by http://www.newtonellis.com/camopt/

As for bulk, the M series have so much of it that the MC meter hardly notices. If you don't like bulk, you don't start with the M's (apart from the Leica mini).

Regards, David
 
I have and use an MR on my M3. It's accurate and quick in use. Another advantage over the VC meter (aside from the coupled dial) is that it has an analog readout. I know from experience which white/black stripes match which EV values (the battery check dot is EV 15 in `black mode' and EV 8 in `red mode'), so when using it hand held (instead of on the camera), I can see at a single glance what the light is, and apply my preferred speed/aperture combination. In fact I seldom really mount it on the camera, I just check the light, and might check again if it changes more than I can guestimate.
 
The MR-4 meter is a joy to use. Coupled makes all the difference. For those concerned about scratching the top plate, the screws in the flash foot adjust the pitch and yaw of the meter unit above the foot. When properly set, it is impossible to scratch the top plate. The only thing that may come into contact with the body of the camera is the plastic battery cover.

Put a piece of gaffer's tape on the top plate, and adjust the screws until the base is parallel to the top plate in both axes. Pretty easy to do.

Huge +1 to Quality Light and Metrics in Hollywood, CA, for restoring this meter (and any other for that matter).
 
Just in case the idea of "coupling" is unclear...

With an external meter or a clip-on meter such as the VC, you need to take your reading, and looking where the meter needle is on the scale, transfer both the recommended aperture and shutter speed onto the lens. With a coupled meter such as the Leicameter, you look where the meter needle is on the scale and transfer that aperture onto the lens. The meter already knows what the shutter speed is and will give you the correct aperture; that's the advantage of a "coupled" meter. (The price you pay for this added convenience is size; the meter is slightly larger than the VC non-coupled meter). Another advantage is that you can take your reading, then recompose, and the readout will still be accurate for the part of the scene that you metered. Having access to the instruction book is a real help for getting successful results.

As with any electronic gadget, generally the newer the better; the latest model of the Leica meter is the MR-4 which was issued to match with the (then) newly introduced M4. The latest iteration of the MR-4 is the black one which matched the black M4 which I'm guessing was introduced somewhere around 1970. Like the Leica itself, it's a sturdy and heavy (for its size) unit, and if not abused should function as smoothly and accurately as any other contemporaneous light meter. If you're lucky enough to score one that was only owned by one previous owner, and comes complete with the instruction manual, it will give you good results with any kind of film. Just be sure to use a compatible battery; Ken Rockwell's site tells you where to get a modern battery that will give voltage similar to that of the no-longer-available mercury cell (just enter "Wein" into the search box on Ken's site; that's the name of the battery). The use of inappropriate batteries with the MR meter may have helped give it a reputation for not being accurate: wrong battery voltage = wrong reading.


In helping my friend secure an MR-4 for his non-metered M's, I've gotten hold of several of them in working/accurate condition and discovered something interesting:

Checking the readings at the low, mid and high ends of the brightness range, I have found no variation between the following (voltages tested on a meter):

a new (never used) PX625 1.3V Mercury battery

a new PX625-A 1.5V Alkaline battery

a new MS76 1.55v Silver-Oxide battery in a CRIS MR9 1.3v adaptor

a new MS76 1.55v Silver-Oxide battery in a washer-spacer (left over from a Wein cell).

I did not have the same results when I tried this with a Leicaflex SL, M5 or CL, all of which required compensation with a 1.5v and then would still not read accurately at both ends of the brightness range.

Could it be that the MR-4, made by Metrawatt, has a built-in voltage regulator that nobody knows about? I'm reluctant to open these meters since I don't own them, and wouldn't know what I was looking at if I did. Just curious if anybody else has checked an MR4 with different battery types and found the same thing. I don't mean the readings are close, they're *identical*. BTW for using the MR9 adaptor I would recommend a 386 vs an MS76 because the latter is thicker and pushes the battery door open a little--and those battery doors don't look like they're too strong"
 
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Here's an MR-4 on an M3. FWIW, the whole kit fits neatly into an eveready case.
 
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