According to this rumor site:
https://photorumors.com/2022/06/22/more-pictures-of-the-light-lens-lab-barnack-replica-film-camera/
I do not remember a thread about this...
https://photorumors.com/2022/06/22/more-pictures-of-the-light-lens-lab-barnack-replica-film-camera/
I do not remember a thread about this...
Erik van Straten
Veteran
Nice but I'll wait until there is a rangefinder version.
Erik.
Erik.
Pál_K
Cameras. I has it.
The good thing about that is that it’s new and will provide many years of service. Maybe it can be customized with different finishes. More romantically inclined, I’d rather have a real Leica A that’s travelled through time to many places with different owners.
JeffS7444
Well-known
Wow, kudos to anyone who can build such a 35 mm camera from scratch. If they plan on offering a winder for it, then it's gotta have a self-capping shutter, and that's a bonus.
james.liam
Well-known
This isn't Weimar circa 1925 where the Barnack is the coolest thing in town.
Aside from its novelty to show off to your friends, it ain't much practical. IIRC, Leica did a run of its Ur-Leitz rangefinder-less camera years ago as a commemorative item. They pop up now and again for sale, probably having sat unused on someone's shelf for a very long time.
Aside from its novelty to show off to your friends, it ain't much practical. IIRC, Leica did a run of its Ur-Leitz rangefinder-less camera years ago as a commemorative item. They pop up now and again for sale, probably having sat unused on someone's shelf for a very long time.
nickthetasmaniac
Veteran
This...
Barnacks are 'cool' because they're Barnacks. Their value is in the heritage and story tied up with the early days of Leica and 35mm photography. As users, they're ... 'annoying' is probably the polite word.
So...
Barnack = annoying with an interesting story
Barnack replica = just annoying
David Hughes
David Hughes
I guess the rarity in the genuine Leica replicas would be a well used one with the original box, ERC etc - especially the sample photo from Barnack's negatives. That would be both hot if for sale and cool anyway.
Regards, David
PS Two oxymorons in a short post; follow that! ;-)
Regards, David
PS Two oxymorons in a short post; follow that! ;-)
Erik van Straten
Veteran
This version of the Ur-Leica did not work at all if I remember well.
The "official" copy of the 0-series did work, however.
Working with a Leica Ia is easier than many people think.
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Erik.
While, I do not want the camera, I think it is a step in a good direction. We could see new rangefinders coming out of China eventually. I think that is cool.
Coldkennels
Barnack-toting Brit.
Speak for yourselves; Barnacks in their various forms have been my preferred type of camera for over a decade now while various SLRs and more modern rangefinders sit on a shelf and gather dust. There's a lot to be said for the design - small, smooth, compact, quiet... so while I don't need a Leica I clone, but it would be fantastic as a compact home for a super-wide lens if the price was right.
I did actually have a Leica If briefly before returning it to the dealer due to shutter issues, and walking around with that and the 28mm Color Skopar or 15mm Super Wide Heliar was a great experience. Does it get you any different results to using the 15mm on a Leica II, a Leotax T2L, or even an M4? Maybe, maybe not. But it's perfectly useable and does get you thinking and operating a little differently, and there's something to be said for that.
If this was a cheap body and LLL made a cheap 28mm lens + finder kit to go with it, I could see a surprising amount of people giving it a go. After all, the Bessa L did relatively alright, and that's basically the same as a Leica I, only with more bulk and less charm. However, knowing LLL, it's probably going to priced at a premium and hard to get hold of.
Coldkennels
Barnack-toting Brit.
Something else I've only just considered: if this Leica clone has the same footprint as an original Leica, there's a good chance that the "Leicavit" shown here will be compatible with something like a Leica II.
That'd be an interesting one, as I don't think there were ever that many Abrahamsson rapidwinders made for Barnacks. Personally, I'd prefer it to be built to the later IIIc footprint (and be able to open/close a FILCA), but hey, it's always nice to have options.
That'd be an interesting one, as I don't think there were ever that many Abrahamsson rapidwinders made for Barnacks. Personally, I'd prefer it to be built to the later IIIc footprint (and be able to open/close a FILCA), but hey, it's always nice to have options.
Vince Lupo
Whatever
You'd probably have to change/modify the winding shaft in the camera, as those with serial numbers under 159,000 didn't have the 'notch' in them. At the time it was to accommodate the SCNOO winder, which of course was an earlier incarnation of the Leicavit.
As far as this possible LLL camera goes, I think it's pretty neat and I applaud their efforts. Good thing I don't need any more cameras
steveyork
Well-known
I wonder about the demand for such a camera. From their instagram, looks like they are still working on the 50/1.2 as well as a 50/2 rigid. More the better I suppose (for us). I have their 8 element which is very nice.
Mr_Flibble
In Tabulas Argenteas Refero
As far as this possible LLL camera goes, I think it's pretty neat and I applaud their efforts. Good thing I don't need any more cameras
I agree, and heaven knows I don't need any more cameras either, but I'll like to know the price tag for this thing when its released
Why would you wonder? Let LLL worry about that and enjoy that new film cameras are coming out.
aizan
Veteran
Fantastically good news for film photography! This is by far the most ambitious camera manufacturing project of the film revival. If they can demonstrate that small scale contemporary manufacturing can produce a high quality focal plane shutter, film advance mechanism, and frame counter, that would ensure the future of “sophisticated” film cameras. Up until now, the new cottage industry camera companies have been limited to primitive mechanisms. If this pilot project succeeds, Light Lens Lab could make brand new rangefinders and SLRs in 35mm and medium format, with warranties and spare parts.
james.liam
Well-known
The oldest Barnack is a relatively simple device, so someone over in Shenzhen disassembled one, scanned the parts and laser printed them. What's the big deal? Another toy for the nouveau riche Party members.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
I love the Barnacks, but only the pre-IIIc ones. I've never understood why the IIIc and the IIIf were made. The III or IIIa is a superfine camera when
mounted with a SBOOI or a SBLOO and, eventually, with a SCNOO. However, don't forget that a SCNOO or a Leicavit makes a camera a lot bigger and heavier. The real advantage of an LTM-Leica over an M-Leica is then gone.
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Erik.
mounted with a SBOOI or a SBLOO and, eventually, with a SCNOO. However, don't forget that a SCNOO or a Leicavit makes a camera a lot bigger and heavier. The real advantage of an LTM-Leica over an M-Leica is then gone.
gelatin silver print (summar 50mm f2) leica II
Erik.
JeffS7444
Well-known
Try assembling a Barnack camera, and you'll realize why it's a pretty big deal, and why they're boasting that they've got a working cloth focal plane shutter!
JeffS7444
Well-known
Prewar FED-1 with 50/3.5 has proven way more entertaining than expected, love the size and light weight. I could see myself picking up a black paint Leica II someday.