M 8 - perfect privelged amateur camera ?

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Of coures I am courting controvesy , but there is serious obserrvation here .

Taking my Pentax K 10d out and about , mostly in the cold and rain around a shopping mall ... etc - seen , maybe , as odd , inappropriate , etc , I not only got odd looks , but was told I could not take photos in the property .

However the moblie phone addicts were snapping [ at ] one another all over the place ...

.. and I had previously trialled , rather than trailled , my M 8 in the same area - and no one noticed !

The Leica seems not to be taken seriously as a DSLR - and , if there is a camera out and about on shopping trips - it is a compact or dreaded phone ... the DSLRS stay at home - and luggiing one about , I know why !

I have joined the instant generation now with a 2 meg phone of my own . now for some serious appraisal of Noika verses M 8 and K10d - all at 2 meg !

Daft as ever !

dee
 
dee said:
Of coures I am courting controvesy , but there is serious obserrvation here .

Taking my Pentax K 10d out and about , mostly in the cold and rain around a shopping mall ... etc - seen , maybe , as odd , inappropriate , etc , I not only got odd looks , but was told I could not take photos in the property .

However the moblie phone addicts were snapping [ at ] one another all over the place ...

.. and I had previously trialled , rather than trailled , my M 8 in the same area - and no one noticed !

The Leica seems not to be taken seriously as a DSLR - and , if there is a camera out and about on shopping trips - it is a compact or dreaded phone ... the DSLRS stay at home - and luggiing one about , I know why !

I have joined the instant generation now with a 2 meg phone of my own . now for some serious appraisal of Noika verses M 8 and K10d - all at 2 meg !

Daft as ever !

dee
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Dear Dee,

Yup.

When the Bessa-L came out with the 15/4,5 and 25/4, my wife and I went to Bluewater. I had the Bessa; she had a Contax and 35/1.4.

She was stopped by the goons. I wasn't...

Same happens at the London Eye.

(Note for foreigners: Bluewater is an exceptionally pretentious shopping mall near the M25).

Cheers,

R.
 
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Have you ever noticed that DSLR users are always telling you that digital is just as good as film? And, why don't you care what they think?

A conversation I had yesterday:

"I took 1100 pictures in Italy in one week with my digital camera."

"You need to edit. That's a picture every nine minutes."
 
IMO It doesn't matter what camera you have ; in my local shopping centre the jobsworth guards come out of the woodwork within seconds of seeing anything resembling a camera.

I stopped carting the DSLR around Manchester when I got the M8 last year. I certainly don't attract as much attention; however, in general (and it's been discussed to death) many people seem to be very anti photography these days.

Last year I lost the plot with one guy who came straight up to me and asked if I was a peadophile despite being no where near any children; in fact no children were in sight but I was in a holiday resort (Blackpool) on a freezing cold day.

As you can imagine. Photography in public spaces is a sore point with me, but I carry on regardless and always respect other peoples privacy, i.e. I don't snoop.
 
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i found myself shooting absurd amounts of photos in short periods of time with my dslr...now that i shoot 99% film again it takes me much longer to shoot a decent 36exp roll




Steve Bellayr said:
Have you ever noticed that DSLR users are always telling you that digital is just as good as film? And, why don't you care what they think?

A conversation I had yesterday:

"I took 1100 pictures in Italy in one week with my digital camera."

"You need to edit. That's a picture every nine minutes."
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I believe Jon suggested asking if cameraphones are allowed? If the response is yes, you raise your Leica to your ear and say "excuse me, I need to take this call."
 
sitemistic said:
Malls are private property. If they don't allow photography, don't take photos.

I have, though, even though I'm not carrying a camera in a mall, started to find a guard and point out those taking pictures with cell phone cameras to him/her. While they will try to ignore you if you do that, just ask them where the management office is located in the mall so you can report them. They will usually stop the cell phone user from taking photos.

Yeah, it harassment, but very satisfying. :)
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Why would you want to do that?
 
dee said:
but there is serious obserrvation here .

phone addicts were snapping [ at ] one another all over the place ...

.. and I had previously trialled , rather than trailled , my M 8 in the same area - and no one noticed !

The Leica seems not to be taken seriously as a DSLR

Noika verses M 8 and K10d - all at 2 meg!
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No comment.
 
Yet many great photographs have been taken by professionals using P&S cameras such as the Hexar RF and Ricoh GR cameras.

We had a similar conversation in the pub this weekend concerning movies and what constituted an 'epic'. Ben Hur definately was but many people thought that Gladiator was not. Upon returning home I checked inthe dictionary under "Epic".
It said "...something that is impressive..."

As with most things I guess it comes down to your own personal prefference.
 
I have never shopped at a mall.
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Here then, I'll help you city mice imagine what it's like:

You know what a cruise ship is, right? Now imagine a cruise ship ran aground in your neighborhood and they built a parking lot around it and turned all its interior space into shops full of cr*p you don't need to buy. People voluntarily wander around inside wearing costumes that indicate their social standing feeling, by turns, inferior and superior to the other shoppers. The attendant insecurity leads to impulse purchases. That's what a mall is like.


For you country mice:

Many New Yorkers can't imagine what the outside world is like because they sit in the imagined center of the universe and wait for all its wonders to be brought to their pee-stained patches of pavement. But they would scratch out the eyes of their best friend to get a rent-controlled apartment with a washer and dryer, so they tend channel their jealously of the amenities readily available off their island into a withering contempt for those who don't live there.



I hope I've enlightened and offended everybody. :D
 
northpole said:
I see that you have one, as do I, but I wouldn't call mine a P&S camera any more than I would my M7!

Peter
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Sorry peter that was a typo. I meant the Hexar AF. :eek:

Bob.
 
What I like is how these threads dee-generate so rapidly !

.. which , for me , is what the entire picture taking game is - fun !
 
sitemistic said:
Malls are private property. If they don't allow photography, don't take photos.
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Unless you happen to witness a crime; then you are free to whip out your DSLR Brick and provide the management with some nice evidence. Oh, wait a minute, no need to because they have their cameras trained on you without your permission ;-)

In a former job, the details which I won't disclose I used to regularly enter the control rooms of some of these shopping mall security outfits. In between diligently looking out for crime they had some light relief training the cameras on pretty young girls assets.

No, you're right. They are private places and of course we have to respect that.

I have read many threads on this subject. It fascinates me the diversity of opinions that emerge from photographers. I personally love seeing street photos either as pure documentary shots or with an artistic bent. They provide a record of our cultures and shots that might seem trivial today take on a new context in later years.

But I do not particularly like the snooping approach. That said, Kertesz was a master of the concealed camera and many of his images are iconic.

Whatever
 
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kevin m said:
Here then, I'll help you city mice imagine what it's like:

You know what a cruise ship is, right? Now imagine a cruise ship ran aground in your neighborhood and they built a parking lot around it and turned all its interior space into shops full of cr*p you don't need to buy. People voluntarily wander around inside wearing costumes that indicate their social standing feeling, by turns, inferior and superior to the other shoppers. The attendant insecurity leads to impulse purchases. That's what a mall is like.


For you country mice:

Many New Yorkers can't imagine what the outside world is like because they sit in the imagined center of the universe and wait for all its wonders to be brought to their pee-stained patches of pavement. But they would scratch out the eyes of their best friend to get a rent-controlled apartment with a washer and dryer, so they tend channel their jealously of the amenities readily available off their island into a withering contempt for those who don't live there.



I hope I've enlightened and offended everybody. :D
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Dear Kevin,

Elegant!

Cheers,

R.
 
I've been using my M8 in The Mall at Aztec nr. Bristol without any harassment at all. Of course, me being a stupid foreigner who doesn't speak a word of English would stump the average rentacop.
 
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