M 8 - perfect privelged amateur camera ?

[kuzano]

And rightfully so!!!!!!!

And rightfully so!!!!!!!

IMO It doesn't matter what camera you have ; in my local shopping centre the jobsworth guards come out of the woodwork within seconds of seeing anything resembling a camera.

Because, as we all know, everybody carrying a camera is casing some location for a terrorist attack.

We know this because we are told these things by Homeland Security, all other security agencies, the authorities, in addition to which they tell the media, and we are told again. Now, we are told the same thing by private company security patrols.

 

[literiter]

Because, as we all know, everybody carrying a camera is casing some location for a terrorist attack.

We know this because we are told these things by Homeland Security, all other security agencies, the authorities, in addition to which they tell the media, and we are told again. Now, we are told the same thing by private company security patrols.

Well yeah! Good Golly, China, the Former Soviet Union (maybe now even), N. Korea and all kinds of repressive regimes usually disallow cameras why not the rest of us??

 

[Isca]

I refuse to have an opinion on shopping malls, I have to believe that there are far beter things to have opinions on.............

I think that constitutes an opinion.

 

[rsl]

Malls are private property. If they don't allow photography, don't take photos.

I have, though, even though I'm not carrying a camera in a mall, started to find a guard and point out those taking pictures with cell phone cameras to him/her. While they will try to ignore you if you do that, just ask them where the management office is located in the mall so you can report them. They will usually stop the cell phone user from taking photos.

Yeah, it harassment, but very satisfying. 🙂

Depends on where you are. In a lot of states in the U.S. if the mall has open areas for activities other than shopping it's considered a public place, just like a sidewalk. Of course that won't stop the rent-a-cops from harassing you, but if you're really angry, have a lot of money, and don't have anything else to do you could take the mall to court and possibly win your case. Unfortunately, that probably wouldn't stop the rent-a-cops from continuing to do their thing.

On thing to think about is how you carry your camera. If you carry it around your neck you're asking to be hassled. Last year I was in a museum with a friend and both of us were carrying cameras. His was around his neck. My R-D1 was in my hand with the short strap wrapped around my wrist. I saw a guard stop my friend and tell him he couldn't take pictures in the museum. A little later I spent a couple of minutes chatting with the same guard, with the camera still in my hand. He never said a word about not shooting pictures in the museum and I'm not even sure he realized I had a camera in my hand.

 

[Dralowid]

Now, I don't really know what this thread is all about but I have taken the trouble to mis-read the original post and and wish to add my contentious ha'penny's worth...

Is not a tiny digital camera/phone much closer to what the original Leica concept was all about?

Discuss.

Michael

(Isn't a Mall is a road that leads up to a house where a queen lives? Jolly sensible place to build shops, gives her something to do...)

 

[kevin m]

Is not a tiny digital camera/phone much closer to what the original Leica concept was all about?

Sure, but you can't sell many "Sultan of Brunei" Nokia's, now, can you? 😀

 

[Dralowid]

Maybe not, but I happen to know that the Visoflex III fits most of the Motorola range with slight mods. This opens the field up for accessory junkies.

Michael

 

[myoptic3]

More of a Big City Thing. Smaller towns seem to exhibit less paranoia and more common sense. Less power tripping. Of course you pay a price for this, but to me it is worth it. Most folks in a small town tend to smile when seeing someone point a camera, mall or not, as long as you are not shoving it in their face. Big city folk tend to react the opposite.

 

[Kevin]

Do you think private security guards are paid to think?

You cannot compare a mobile telephone with integrated camera to a camera which does nothing else!!

When a security guard asks you to stop taking pictures with your mobile phone it is so easy to lie and say you were talking in video mode or sending an sms. After day 1 on the job any new security guard will stop pestering shoppers because most of them have a phone and they are being constantly used.

So once in a great while Mr. RFF-DSLR walks into the mall and he gets targeted for security harassment. Why is it so difficult to figure out why that happens???

 

[Olsen]

Here then, I'll help you city mice imagine what it's like:

You know what a cruise ship is, right? Now imagine a cruise ship ran aground in your neighborhood and they built a parking lot around it and turned all its interior space into shops full of cr*p you don't need to buy. People voluntarily wander around inside wearing costumes that indicate their social standing feeling, by turns, inferior and superior to the other shoppers. The attendant insecurity leads to impulse purchases. That's what a mall is like.


For you country mice:

Many New Yorkers can't imagine what the outside world is like because they sit in the imagined center of the universe and wait for all its wonders to be brought to their pee-stained patches of pavement. But they would scratch out the eyes of their best friend to get a rent-controlled apartment with a washer and dryer, so they tend channel their jealously of the amenities readily available off their island into a withering contempt for those who don't live there.



I hope I've enlightened and offended everybody. 😀

Ha, Ha, ha!

 

[jaapv]

Sure, but you can't sell many "Sultan of Brunei" Nokia's, now, can you? 😀

Well, is a pricetag of a round million $ enough?


http://www.goldvish.com/goldvish.php?lang=en

 

[kevin m]

Well, is a pricetag of a round million $ enough?

Thanks for the link. Now I hate the human race even more. 😀

 

[nitrox1]

Malls are private property. If they don't allow photography, don't take photos.

I have, though, even though I'm not carrying a camera in a mall, started to find a guard and point out those taking pictures with cell phone cameras to him/her. While they will try to ignore you if you do that, just ask them where the management office is located in the mall so you can report them. They will usually stop the cell phone user from taking photos.

Yeah, it harassment, but very satisfying. 🙂

God bless you!! I love when people such as yourself stand up to the stupidity that is going on in America.

Props to you!!

John

 

[dee]

The good thing about stupidity in the UK , is that it is so universal , that it's no longer noticeable... take our Health and Safety laws - I am surprised that we are even allowed to hang a camera around the neck in case it hits a child on the head , causes back strain , could choke the user etc - as for swinging it on a wrist strap - it becomes an offensive weapon

Don't even bother to discuss .

dee

 

[dazedgonebye]

God bless you!! I love when people such as yourself stand up to the stupidity that is going on in America.

Props to you!!

John

See, I only saw this as damaging to everyone with any kind of camera.

 

[Bob_McBob]

Dear Dee,

Yup.

When the Bessa-L came out with the 15/4,5 and 25/4, my wife and I went to Bluewater. I had the Bessa; she had a Contax and 35/1.4.

She was stopped by the goons. I wasn't...

Same happens at the London Eye.

They stop you from taking cameras on the Eye? I went on it a week ago with a 40D, 12-24/4, 50/1.8, M6 TTL, and 35/2 UC-Hexanon. I had it all in a Domke shoulder bag, and all they did was take a quick peek inside and ask what I had ("cameras"). I took a tonne of photos while I was up there, too.

 

[Roger Hicks]

They stop you from taking cameras on the Eye? I went on it a week ago with a 40D, 12-24/4, 50/1.8, M6 TTL, and 35/2 UC-Hexanon. I had it all in a Domke shoulder bag, and all they did was take a quick peek inside and ask what I had ("cameras"). I took a tonne of photos while I was up there, too.

Dear Bob,

That's very interesting. Their stated policy is 'no professional-looking cameras' and Amateur Photographer magazine (for whom I write) spent some time talking to them -- including an hour on the 'phone, in my case -- trying to make them see sense.

They said they would continue with their existing policy but maybe they've taken some of our suggestions on board. Or maybe they are more lax if you have an overseas accent...

Cheers,

R.