robbeiflex
Well-known
Benjamin Marks
Veteran
+1. I am pretty stoked about Leica's offering, but I think Raid has the right idea. Now where'd I put that XP1?
Ben
anselwannab
Well-known
Didn't someone do a blind study of lenses and basically non one could tell one lens from the otehr consistently?
THe more I look, the better the M seems and the odder the ME seems.
charjohncarter
Veteran
I have many lenses that I can look at the photo and tell the difference. Of course, they are like a Brownie Hawkeye Flash, a Polaroid Color Pack II, an Instamatic lens mounted on my Leica, plus 4 or 5 more for my Pentax6x7.
What is a M camera?
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I don't agrree. I think the reception here has been very positive over all. Where were you when the M8 was introduced ... because that was a sh!t fight!
I'm no Leica fan boy but I'm very impressed with this camera because Leica has done what needed to be done and not a lot more ... there is exactly the right balance of technology and tradition in the new M for me.
And incredibly they have done at a price that has surprised us all ... I congratulate them. That still won't stop me 'dissing it' when they bring it out in white or camouflage though!
Teuthida
Well-known
Thank you.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
This is sort of true... especially if you include the term "full frame". However, the Fuji X-Pro1 is quite capable in this arena as well. I'm currently using Zuiko OM-mount, Zeiss Flektogon Exakta-mount, Nikon F-mount, and Minolta MC-mount lenses on the XP1.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Out of curosity what lenses can't you mount on the original 5D that came out eons ago? Surely that has to be given the mantle of the first full frame digital camera that became a lens mount for so many people.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
The revolution was begun by the micro four thirds folk... not Leica. M4/3 owners have been enjoying the use of multiple lens mount types on M4/3 cameras for years now. Leica has just figured out that the mirrorless camera model is chewing up a lot of market share.
mervynyan
Mervyn Yan
There are M, M-E, M9, M9P, Mono, I am so confused now.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Problem for Leica is, however, that the non-FF mirrorless camera manufacturers have already created a HUGE foothold in the marketplace, and a lot of photographers have grown accustomed to using adapted lenses on those cameras, even though they are not FF. So will the "M" become 'historic'... my guess is not. Now, the M8 and M9 might hold historic status someday, given all the "never can be done" rants they put to rest.
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
Bingo.
As for Leica's M camera - I've said it before and I'll say it again until I see some proper testing (and not just a bunch of older guys fondling the camera exclaiming how wonderful it is and how it changes their views on life, art, and their understanding of the space/time continuum) the sensor is an unknown variable made by a company that has not put any sensors in ANY mass manufactured camera.
Let's all cool our jets on both ends of the spectrum and wait for some testing to be done and some RAW images to be produced (that can be downloaded etc.) before claiming that the M is the Antichrist or the Second Coming....
Dave
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
I nearly ponied up for a 5D for that specific purpose. You can simply go to eBay and type in Canon lens adapter and you'll get hundreds of hits that cover everything from Exakta to Nikon to Olympus to Minolta... on and on.
funkydog
Well-known
Leica M = Ricoh GXR M in FF. Wheeee!
Archiver
Veteran
And with the optical rangefinder, there's the best of both worlds. I rather wish that Leica had followed Fuji and made a hybrid viewfinder, which would have eliminated the need for an external clip-on, but them's the breaks.
I hold a fair bit of hope about this new CMOS sensor, given that the output of the Ricoh GXR-M is surprisingly similar to the M9. Not the same, but with a strangely familiar feeling to the sharpness, the way the images are rendered, etc. If the GXR-M, with its customized Sony sensor, is getting into the same look as the M9, I am very optimistic about how the new sensor from CMOSIS is going to do.
willie_901
Veteran
It is clear CMOSIS is now under great pressure to deliver the goods. Right now CMOSIS has less than 45 employees. Their facility is only has 1000 sq meters of floor space and their clean room has only 100 square meters. Not only does the new sensor have to be close to state-of-the-art, but CMOSIS has to produce them in sufficient quantities while keeping the reject rate down.
No doubt CMOSIS can produce a sensor right now that meets Leica's standards (otherwise Leice is taking a tremendous, needless risk). The real issue is can CMOSIS deliver M sensors quickly and efficiently.
No doubt CMOSIS can produce a sensor right now that meets Leica's standards (otherwise Leice is taking a tremendous, needless risk). The real issue is can CMOSIS deliver M sensors quickly and efficiently.
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
I am not Leica fanboy, I see why someone likes the new product it and I also see why somebody else doesn't. I don't think it has not been received well, the problem as usual is that if really the ability to mount many lenses on a FF sensor is what will call buyers then Sony and maybe also Canicon can produce almost the same functions at a fraction of the price (the almost is due to the fact that they are not allowed to put a red dot on their cameras). Unless really producing digital sensors becomes so easy that many small companies such as those mentioned in previous posts appear it is still a tough life for small camera producer who used to rely only on their ability to produce lenses when they have to fight against guys like Sony. Despite this I feel that we are going into a very nice direction, just a few years back it looked like film would not be available and good digital cameras had to be ugly and huge, now my only problem is that there are too many cameras I like and I don't have the money to buy all of them...
GLF
GLF
icebear
Veteran
....now my only problem is that there are too many cameras I like and I don't have the money to buy all of them...
GLF
There is an easy solution: Just buy one , your choice of course.
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
I know, I know, just kidding, I am perfectly happy with what I have and I think the next photographic tools I shall buy will be a new studio flash head and the Pocket wizard Mini TT1 for the SB strobes I already use. Just saying because I am amazed at how many criticisms one read in these groups, no matter which new product come out. Let's face it: these days even bad cameras are great. We no longer have excuse for the bad picture we get, any time it's our mistake, never a camera limitation (sometimes I find this a bit depressing, especially when something goes wrong in a session). I recognize tough that these discussions are funny...
GLF
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Somebody has to produce them in sufficient quantities - the lab area and equipment listed make it quite obvious that CMOSIS don't produce themselves, but are a R&D shop.