M10 images leak

jaapv said:
No I don't. And does your cellphone take lenses up to 800 mm and down to 18?
I really pi**ed off that the thing has no video. It is a silly Luddite move to go back to the stone age.:mad:
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Why? Should I be pi**ed off that the Fuji XTWhatever doesn't have an optical viewfinder? No one is forcing you to buy it, and if you really want an M with video then they make a model with that. Or is there something that wan't included on that that pi**es you off?

As for your other statement, if you're carrying lenses from 18-800mm, I'm going to guess that carry a dedicated video camera isn't going to add too much more weight.

Are you okay Jaap? You responses are not usually like this.
 
michaelwj said:
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Why? Should I be pi**ed off that the Fuji XTWhatever doesn't have an optical viewfinder? No one is forcing you to buy it, and if you really want an M with video then they make a model with that. Or is there something that wan't included on that that pi**es you off?

As for your other statement, if you're carrying lenses from 18-800mm, I'm going to guess that carry a dedicated video camera isn't going to add too much more weight.

Are you okay Jaap? You responses are not usually like this.
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If, the Fuji XTWhatever was not an optical viewfinder camera and never was... this makes no sense. How can you leave something off a camera that wasn't there?

Of course no one is forcing jaapv to buy the M10 and of course he can't go out and make one himself. What is your point?

Carrying lenses has nothing to do with carrying more gear to solve a problem that could have been addressed with firmware that weighs nothing. Again, what is your point?

I'll be pissed off too if video is deliberately removed from the M10 so Leica can have a big event and wax on about "essential." I know, I know, for Leica fanboys essential sounds better in German.

Lastly, of course we aren't going to be pissed off. We're grown men.
 
I agree that photojournalists today need to shoot video given the realities of the industry but I disagree that pro shooters expect or require Leica rangefinder to provide that. The overwhelming majority of PJ's who carry a Leica, even as the main stills body, will have a DSLR on them as well for the times when you need reach >50mm, or you're in fast action and need AF or it's a dicey unpredictable situation where you need a more rugged body and you'd rather something unfortunate happen to your company 5D covered under CPS than your own Leica :)

What I'm saying is, even if the M10 had video, I highly doubt a lightbulb would go on over a vast numbers of PJs who instantly say: "oh, now carrying one Leica will cover all my bases." No, they're going to still pack a DSLR as well which is about as good as you'll get for covering everything.

I can't speak for wedding or commercial photographers, who may differ, but I don't think there is overwhelming expectation for a Leica M to deliver video either because the market is evolving swiftly and we're not in 2011 anymore where the do-it-all 5D2 was king. The market is specializing again and folks who are semi-serious about video now turn to specialized Sony and Panasonic bodies provide much better picture, ergonomics, frame rates, sound, audio jacks, etc etc. If even the 5D3/4 is being scoffed at in today's video market how can one possibly expect a Leica M to deliver video performance that will be satisfactory?

Let's be honest, a Leica M is not even the best choice for many modern photographic uses, much less video. I'm deeply, hopelessly hooked to using rangefinders but in the clear light of day it's obviously an outdated technology that, yes, remains peerless for a few narrow disciplines like street and documentary but not much else in modern photography.

And in this day and age with all the incredible cameras we have, even within Leica's own lineup, why would you use a Leica M rangefinder for anything other than those very specific use cases if you were extremely discerning about getting the best results -- as many Leica aficionados are?




DrMcCoy said:
I think what the vast majority of professional photographers want is basic PJ skills in one body and not some silly idea of a "pure" camera. Y'know, the standard that the 5DMII set 8 years ago? Something that doesn't include opportunity cost in addition to the outlandish price tag? Because, y'know, maybe there's some older PJs out that that really enjoyed working with Leicas in the film age, because that form factor fit the way that they use a camera, but are also having to modernise and take video while on the job as well? People who aren't really satisfied by the X-Pro line?

I dunno - just some silly suppositions and not any actual experience coming into play here.

But yeah, screw the people that were formative for the company and their legacy - let's cater to the whims of the genty cat and wife photographer market.
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Adding video doesn't come for free, you need a lot of functions and software code in the firmware. Maybe 90% of that can be copied from existing code (probably from the SL) but you have to rework on something, integrate this into the complete firmware for the M10 and test, test, test. My guess is, that adding video, adds another 50K-100K EUR for the software development to the overall production cost.
 
michaelwj said:
(my bold)

Why? Should I be pi**ed off that the Fuji XTWhatever doesn't have an optical viewfinder? No one is forcing you to buy it, and if you really want an M with video then they make a model with that. Or is there something that wan't included on that that pi**es you off?

As for you're other statement, if you're carrying lenses from 18-800mm, I'm going to guess that carry a dedicated video camera isn't going to add too much more weight.

Are you okay Jaap? You responses are not usually like this.
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Actually 18 to 560- and it weighs 9 KG in a small backpack including NEX7 backup, so it does make a difference. I am annoyed because it curtails the use as a compact travel system, a tradition started by Dr Paul Wolff, around 1930. Who, incidentally, used to carry cine camera as well...
 
Software cost has likely nothing to do with this, although not having video should also mean not paying for related patents. There may be legitimate technical issues they felt unsure engineering around (such as increased heat from 4k capture and processing with reduced camera size). But in the end this is more likely some weird marketing move.
 
tom.w.bn said:
Adding video doesn't come for free, you need a lot of functions and software code in the firmware. Maybe 90% of that can be copied from existing code (probably from the SL) but you have to rework on something, integrate this into the complete firmware for the M10 and test, test, test. My guess is, that adding video, adds another 50K-100K EUR for the software development to the overall production cost.
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So it adds 1 Euro per camera over the production run...:rolleyes:
 
A new viewfinder! Glad Leica's finally matching Cosina on the eye relief.

I anticipate for the Typ-262 variant of the M10. It's gonna weigh the same as a M3!
 
I wonder what they'd change for the "budget" variant though. The M262 is lighter, has no video, no live view, black chrome and a cut down menu system. The M10 already has most of that. Don't get me wrong, I'd be frothing at the mouth if they released an M10 with an aluminum top plate to make it even lighter but I wonder if there's enough there to differentiate the models. I *love* the current M262 and that would be my M of choice if I could even afford that but a 262/M10 hybrid would be the bees knees.
 
According to the latest rumored specs, the top plate, not the the entire camera, is 33.7mm deep, which is basically identical to film M (except M5, which is thicker). Since that's where your thumb and index fingers would go while holing the camera, M10 might feel really close to film M in hand.
 
Also the MSRP including sales tax in Japan is rumored to be 918,000 yen. I don't know how that will translate to other markets, but Type 240's MSRP is 939,600 yen (inc. tax) so if we assume the figures are correct, M10 will be cheaper than 240 at launch.
 
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