M10-P announced

While I dearly love the look of the "P" versions of the M9 and now M10, with the old Leica logo on top and no red dot, my wife would kill me if I ever spent $8000 on a camera.

Best,
-Tim
 
Soooo, $700 more for no red dot and claimed 'silent shutter'.
Seeing I can't tell the difference between the much much quieter shutter on the current M10 vs original M10, I kinda doubt that.

Obviously I'm not in the market, I was for the M240 replacing my M-E, because I could actually see and use the differences between the cameras. I don't see any difference at all in image making capabilities of the current M10 vs M240, so have no interest.
For $8K Leica needs to have a better sensor than what is available in a $1700 Nikon D750 (now available used for $1000).
Let alone a 47mp $3300 Nikon D850.
 
Huss if low light is needed then there is a noticeable diff between the 240 and the M 10. Also the m 10 is so much more responsive than the 240/262. In my opinion 24mps is plenty. I probably going to pick up another M 10 before the end of the year but it wont be an M10P

Looking forward to seeing what the M10 Mono will be like. I can get very usable files at 20,000 ISO. My 262 3200 is getting a bit dicey. If this mono is like the rest usable 60,000 ISO files in true B&W rangefinder sounds interesting to me.
 
airfrogusmc said:
Looking forward to seeing what the M10 Mono will be like. I can get very usable files at 20,000 ISO. My 262 3200 is getting a bit dicey. If this mono is like the rest usable 60,000 ISO files in true B&W rangefinder sounds interesting to me.
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Do you really shoot at ISO 20,000? From looking at your images, I would not have thought it would be necessary. And ISO 60,000? That's 7-8 stops faster than Tri-X.
 
I do for some corporate events that I shoot and I if the room has the right quality of light I will shoot 20,000 and I have shot at 12,600 for some annual report work with the M 10.

A real benefit, even if you don't need higher ISO than 3200, is just how much more responsive the M 10 is. No lag like there can be with the 240/262.

For my street work I usually shoot at 1600 and 3200. Sometimes at 6400 but that is usually with my MM. Would be nice to have a bit more for those evening and night shots. To be able to still shoot at 1/000 at f/8 and f/11 would be great.
 
Huss said:
Soooo, $700 more for no red dot and claimed 'silent shutter'.
Seeing I can't tell the difference between the much much quieter shutter on the current M10 vs original M10, I kinda doubt that.

Obviously I'm not in the market, I was for the M240 replacing my M-E, because I could actually see and use the differences between the cameras. I don't see any difference at all in image making capabilities of the current M10 vs M240, so have no interest.
For $8K Leica needs to have a better sensor than what is available in a $1700 Nikon D750 (now available used for $1000).
Let alone a 47mp $3300 Nikon D850.
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Canon 5D MKII used is available for M10-P to M10 difftence in price and its sensor is as good as M240. I have no plans to leave M-E, but might add 5D MKII naturally once our daughter will decide to sell it.
 
aizan said:
they went with the giant adjustment screw. bummer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Love your ‘emoticon’. I agree they have a problem choosing what to do with the front of the camera. That is my difficulty with the rangefinder Leicas since they dropped the now unnecessary frame line illumination window. All that bare real estate on the face of the top cover: the cameras look like a kid with a cranial deformity however they decorate it. Bold to go big with that screw, and possibly the best solution.
 
Think I'll be sticking with the MP240 for a good while. May venture into the market the next few months for a used M246, especially if they announce a B&W version of the M10 and those users start trading in bodies.
 
Dammit. Now I will have to sell ALL my other camera gear.

Except my M9-P. Which I love. But I'd have to sell it too, to get an M10-P.

I wonder how much an engraving job would be on a used silver M10. I know the duct tape for the dot is gonna be cheap...
 
From a practical point of view, buying an M240 makes much more sense that buying an M10 or M10P for most Leica users. Of course, if you want an M10, then get one.
 
airfrogusmc said:
Huss if low light is needed then there is a noticeable diff between the 240 and the M 10. Also the m 10 is so much more responsive than the 240/262. In my opinion 24mps is plenty. I probably going to pick up another M 10 before the end of the year but it wont be an M10P

Looking forward to seeing what the M10 Mono will be like. I can get very usable files at 20,000 ISO. My 262 3200 is getting a bit dicey. If this mono is like the rest usable 60,000 ISO files in true B&W rangefinder sounds interesting to me.
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I get that it may work with how you use your camera, but I like to control my lighting for my projects (I'm not a big street shooter), and in low light use a tripod. I shoot digital the way I shoot film, which is why I shoot film much more! And I don't shoot over 10K ISO (or even over 6K) because quite frankly while one can, it does not look good unless converted to mono.

For my use, I don't notice any difference in responsiveness but I just shoot one shot at a time. I even do that with my D850.
I dunno man, it just seems like for $8K it has nothing to offer to me, at all, that I can get image wise, with a used $2500 M240 let alone any Japanese camera. At regular ISOs there is no difference between the M240 and M10.

And if we are playing the high ISO game/excuse, then we are going to lose heavily to any of the other mainstream mfgs.
 
raid said:
From a practical point of view, buying an M240 makes much more sense that buying an M10 or M10P for most Leica users. Of course, if you want an M10, then get one.
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Ha ha when has any of this been practical. I buy what best works with the way I see and work. I guess finding equipment that does that in the end is practical. I like how simple the menu is on the M 10. 3 buttons on the back and again how responsive it is. I will be getting another M 10 by end of year.
 
Huss said:
I get that it may work with how you use your camera, but I like to control my lighting for my projects (I'm not a big street shooter), and in low light use a tripod. I shoot digital the way I shoot film, which is why I shoot film much more! And I don't shoot over 10K ISO (or even over 6K) because quite frankly while one can, it does not look good unless converted to mono.

For my use, I don't notice any difference in responsiveness but I just shoot one shot at a time. I even do that with my D850.
I dunno man, it just seems like for $8K it has nothing to offer to me, at all, that I can get image wise, with a used $2500 M240 let alone any Japanese camera. At regular ISOs there is no difference between the M240 and M10.

And if we are playing the high ISO game/excuse, then we are going to lose heavily to any of the other mainstream mfgs.
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I like to see the light and if I can't get what I need with available or natural then and only then I will supplement or create it.

Usually it's the other guys saying that Leica doesn't have great ISO performance. The M 10 does have very good ISO performance. Wait 3 weeks and some company will have a camera with better ISO performance than them all. At some point like MPs you have to say when is it all perfectly fine. I think finally with Leica digital it is there with the M 10. At least for me.
 
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