brennanphotoguy
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The supply won't be limited when M9 users start dumping their M9 for affordable M240s. It's a downward trickle, not upwards.
"M10" Price Impact
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Chubberino
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Nah, the prices will stay stable and supply won't expand considerably.
brennanphotoguy
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My experience of working in a photo retail environment tells me otherwise.
analoged
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I'd be so happy with an up to date R-D1 styled digital RF priced around $1600-1800, too much to ask?
jsrockit
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Yes, most likely.
willie_901
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What about the sensor replacement issue? We have no idea what fraction of the M9s out there have the second generation sensor. The originals will need replacement sooner or later and are less desirable. Knowledgeable buyers of units with the original sensor will factor future inconvenience into how much they are willing to pay.
I don't think M9 cameras will be dumped in significant numbers until the sensor replacement cycle is further along.
brennanphotoguy
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Lol, the M8 is a relic and full of more problems than a sensor that Leica is fixing for free and can provide serials of M9s that have been serviced.
jaapv
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I am not at liberty to disclose numbers, but the percentage of cameras that are affected is far smaller than is usually supposed in the Forums. The supposition that in the end all M9 sensors will need to be replaced is incorrect.
Lss
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It's a problem-free camera in my experience.
brennanphotoguy
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I guess that having to use IR filters and a screen you can't replace aren't problems.
Lss
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Good guess, they are not problems.
The screen, if it dies completely, may become a problem. A working screen is not a problem.
Chubberino
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IR filters, lol.
jaapv
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Well, you have a choice: use a camera with an effective IR filter in front of the sensor or one that has one in front of the lens. Which of the two gives the best image quality and the most versatility? One guess... Disclosure: I use IR filters on all my digital cameras since 2001 for best colours. It is not as if only Leica has inadequate IR filtering...
As for LCD screens: AFAIK the M8 screen is still replaceable. It is the one on the M8.2 that is the problem. Simple solution: don't hit it so hard that it breaks...😉
k__43
Registered Film User
If you wait for the price to meet your set budget you miss out on a digital Leica while waiting.
Vobluda
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My opinion and experience is different. I have seen or handled more M9 type of cameras with sensor issue then without.
I dare to say that sooner or later all M9 type of camera will require sensor replacement.
Perhaps a good place to list major Leica digital failures:
M8
IR filters
no replace rear screens just few years after start of production
M9/M9-P/Monochrom Mk I/ME
corroding sensor that took Leica well over year to officially acknowledge..
M240
strap lug falling out on the first batch of cameras
Leica M-D
new out of the box cameras with non working rear ISO dial
And those are only major ones..
I dare to say that sooner or later all M9 type of camera will require sensor replacement.
Perhaps a good place to list major Leica digital failures:
M8
IR filters
no replace rear screens just few years after start of production
M9/M9-P/Monochrom Mk I/ME
corroding sensor that took Leica well over year to officially acknowledge..
M240
strap lug falling out on the first batch of cameras
Leica M-D
new out of the box cameras with non working rear ISO dial
And those are only major ones..
jsrockit
Moderator
It has nothing to do with that... it's the "coffee stain" issue and it is no longer being replaced by Leica.
Vobluda
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From my and my friends experience coffee stain issue occurs when camera is not used regularly and is gone once when you start using the camera more often.
Even when it is there it has no impact on usage of the screen.
Even when it is there it has no impact on usage of the screen.
jsrockit
Moderator
Sorry, but you are wrong... it is permanent and eventually fails completely and Leica will not repair it. Whatever you and your friends had was not this issue.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Sorry JS, this is incorrect. There are many instances of the coffee stain healing itself and I have not seen any example of an LCD dying of it. I would be interested to learn of any cases.
The coffee stain is only found on later examples of the M8, as Leica had switched suppliers by then. AFAIK there are still spares for the earlier LCD available.
I find the idea about frequency of use an interesting one. Even if it is new to me, it is not impossible.
The coffee stain is only found on later examples of the M8, as Leica had switched suppliers by then. AFAIK there are still spares for the earlier LCD available.
I find the idea about frequency of use an interesting one. Even if it is new to me, it is not impossible.
jsrockit
Moderator
Ok, I'll concede...
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