gavinlg
Veteran
Meh i'd keep the M9 personally. The idea of a leica M with an evf accessory slot and live view kind of makes me feel sad. The m9 may be viewed as the 'classic' digital M in years to come!
Meh i'd keep the M9 personally. The idea of a leica M with an evf accessory slot and live view kind of makes me feel sad. The m9 may be viewed as the 'classic' digital M in years to come!
Yea and in a way the leica monochrom may just be that. It basically has all the performance one could ever need from a camera - In black and white anyway.
MarkoM8
Member
I'm not interested in cmos, video, live view, etc.. Fortunately, this is only a rumor.
Monochrom
Well-known
I don´t believe in that m10...not even the x2 does video!
But of course i didn´t believe on the monochrom either...
if such acamera was to be released i would´nt buy it...my next camera will be the monochrom...with the higher iso capability i can let go all my fast glasses in favor of my recenlty acquired apoqualia...but that´s another tale...hehe
I do beleive that leica will release a higgher Mp camera....but to me the best challenge on an m10 would be the size...i´d expect it to be a thinner camera as the film m´s....
cheers!
But of course i didn´t believe on the monochrom either...
if such acamera was to be released i would´nt buy it...my next camera will be the monochrom...with the higher iso capability i can let go all my fast glasses in favor of my recenlty acquired apoqualia...but that´s another tale...hehe
I do beleive that leica will release a higgher Mp camera....but to me the best challenge on an m10 would be the size...i´d expect it to be a thinner camera as the film m´s....
cheers!
redisburning
Well-known
other wise leica will stay as an niche product nothing too innovative but for people who buy it because of it's past history and brass plates. Of course this is talking body wise, I can see many people using leica lenses when the x pro 2 comes out with a full frame sensor
1 youre delusional if you think Fuji will dump their current lenses to make a full frame camera. they have a roadmap you know, they're married to aps-c for a long time
2 people buy Leica for the same reason they buy ferraris and vintage montblancs. it's got nothing to do with practicality, but with the subtle essence of the product. most people are too bullheaded to appreciate that level of subtlety, and even some people who get it in some places dont in others (e.g. all wine tastes like watery grape juice to me)
people push this "modernization" crap without understanding which parts of it are improvements and which parts are just different for the sake of being different. a ball point pen with usb storage and a laser pointer is a million miles more modern than any of my pens but it's still trashcan to write with.
Leica lives only because they occupy a space that has no competition in 35mm. And Canon would be making just as big a mistake trying to chase Leica's market as Leica would be chasing Canon's.
Leica lives only because they occupy a space that has no competition in 35mm. And Canon would be making just as big a mistake trying to chase Leica's market as Leica would be chasing Canon's.
Right, some just don't seem to get this.
icebear
Veteran
+1Not upgrading. M9 + MM is my dream team.
icebear
Veteran
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The M9 works great but if the M10 has all the little features I crave like ISO 6400, larger/faster buffer, live view, upgraded LCD, film M size body, I can see myself getting one eventually but it's going to be at least 18 months until I can afford one and that's factoring in having to sell my M9.
A faster buffer is something that would be really nice, I have lost a couple of shots because the camera was writing to the card. I never shoot on "c" but a quick series of single shots. I changed to raw only, instead of raw and jpg fine in the beginning. So it's a bit better. But that single feature is not worth an upgrade for sure.
I don't care about live view or a better LCD, I don't chimp at all. And I also don't care about the M9 being a tiny bit larger than film M's. The quality of the files stunnes me every time when I open them in LR4.1 compared to my old 5x7 prints I used to get, this is waaaay better. And I don't care if theoretically a 25 ISO film could give an even better resolution on a tripod "w. hold your breath and cable release" than the current sensor of the M9.
For streetphotography the M9 is "enough already" (see same title essay on LULA....):
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/enough-already.shtml
denizg7
Well-known
1 youre delusional if you think Fuji will dump their current lenses to make a full frame camera. they have a roadmap you know, they're married to aps-c for a long time
2 people buy Leica for the same reason they buy ferraris and vintage montblancs. it's got nothing to do with practicality, but with the subtle essence of the product. most people are too bullheaded to appreciate that level of subtlety, and even some people who get it in some places dont in others (e.g. all wine tastes like watery grape juice to me)
people push this "modernization" crap without understanding which parts of it are improvements and which parts are just different for the sake of being different. a ball point pen with usb storage and a laser pointer is a million miles more modern than any of my pens but it's still trashcan to write with.
Leica lives only because they occupy a space that has no competition in 35mm. And Canon would be making just as big a mistake trying to chase Leica's market as Leica would be chasing Canon's.
you obviously were not around when the m3 was announced and released. Fuji will increase their sensor size when the new x series comes out. Pretty sure Cosina Voigtlander still produces 35mm film cameras, oh and they are rangefinders
you obviously were not around when the m3 was announced and released. Fuji will increase their sensor size when the new x series comes out.
You seem very sure of this... can I ask why?
ChipMcD
Well-known
No, I'm not buying a Rumor![]()
What Andy said.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
There is nothing there that I feel a need of...Sure, until the M10 comes out... unless you stand by your bias against CMOS.![]()
WPalank
Leica Evangelist
As a person who has never had any interest in shooting video with a DSLR, I still remember when Vincent Laforet released the video "Reverie" in Oct. 2009. It was the first the first 1080p video widely released that was shot with the Canon 5D MKII.
http://vimeo.com/7151244
If Leica does release a new digital M with video function, I can only imagine what that video would look like if shot with a Nocti and other Leica Glass. Not to mention, as hard as the Noctilux is to find these days, it may become near impossible.
I think I'm in. Just sayin'.
http://vimeo.com/7151244
If Leica does release a new digital M with video function, I can only imagine what that video would look like if shot with a Nocti and other Leica Glass. Not to mention, as hard as the Noctilux is to find these days, it may become near impossible.
I think I'm in. Just sayin'.
You can already use leica lenses on all sorts of video cameras.
https://vimeo.com/44434153
There really isn't much to gain into putting it into an M body. My guess is the video quality would be some sort of 8bit 4:2:0, rolling shutter rubbish anyway.
https://vimeo.com/44434153
There really isn't much to gain into putting it into an M body. My guess is the video quality would be some sort of 8bit 4:2:0, rolling shutter rubbish anyway.
WPalank
Leica Evangelist
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't the Red One a $25,000 video camera? Granted, who knows what Leica will be asking for the next Digital-M.
Yep, but you can also use a $300 Panasonic GH1, Sony Nex, etc.
https://vimeo.com/28881769
https://vimeo.com/28881769
semordnilap
Well-known
CMOS and live view I can see them doing... Video I think would be a bad idea. Better put the engineering resources into still image quality. I don't think Leica would sell many more cameras because of video.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I think those who pre-purchase based on rumours are called stock brokers.
WPalank
Leica Evangelist
I think those who pre-purchase based on rumours are called stock brokers.
Agreed.
But several stores around the world will assign your name to a list at the moment.
Ben Z
Veteran
WPalank said:If Leica does release a new digital M with video function, I can only imagine what that video would look like if shot with a Nocti
I too can only imagine video with full-frame and the DOF of a 50mm @ f/0.95 and manual focus. Not a particularly pretty image I'm sad to say.
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