M2 or M4-P

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I'm thinking of getting an M2 or M4-P and have it de-chromed down to the brass. Which is the better camera? I've heard Tom A. talk about his platoon of M2's so much its peequed my interest. What say ye.

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I recommend you find a way to spend some time with both bodies. It's such a personal thing - amounting almost to hair-splitting imho - that this is the only way to discern what really matters to you.

Feel? To me the M2 is more supple, while the M4-P seems more wiry.

VF? M2 uncluttered but less accommodating, while M4-P is cluttered and more accommodating

Film-handling? M2 a bit slower, M4-P a bit faster

I'll stop because all this has been said before ... enjoy whichever you choose. Sounds like a cool project.
 
The M2 was made during an age when Leicas were hand-assembled, with all parts being hand-fitted. Its operation was very smooth when new. Thousands of film advances over the fifty years or so the M2 has been in use will have made it even smoother. It has framelines for 35, 50, and 90mm lenses.

The M4-P was made after Leitz switched over to a more cost-effective production method. They were made by CNC computer-controlled machining. There is really nothing wrong with that, they are just not made with "old-world craftsmanship" to the same extent as the M2. In exchange for that, you get a 28mm frameline in the finder. No need for an external finder for a 28mm lens. And you get the rapid-loading system that became standard on all subsequent Leicas. They are indeed nice cameras. If you go for an M4-P, you might prefer an early one, because the framelines will be a bit larger than the later production. That makes them better for framing at all but close distances.

About having the chrome stripped: I had an M4-P and I recall that where the (black) chrome was rubbed away, the underlying metal was silvery, not brass. So I think they have the zinc top plate. If you still want to have it stripped and repainted, the zinc is less good for that than the brass. That point would argue in favor of an M2.
 
About having the chrome stripped: I had an M4-P and I recall that where the (black) chrome was rubbed away, the underlying metal was silvery, not brass. So I think they have the zinc top plate. If you still want to have it stripped and repainted, the zinc is less good for that than the brass. That point would argue in favor of an M2.

The first 3 yrs M4-P production were brass tops, this is indicated by the recessed viewfinder. Leica switched to zince tops aftewards.

Thanks for the great info.
 
I have a M2 and a M4-P. As well I have a 35mm, 50mm and 90mm lenses. Both cameras have frame lines to suit the lenses I have, with the M4-P able to accommodate a few more of course.
It so happens I use the 35mm and 50mm lenses exclusively, one on each camera. This make me happy.

Of the two cameras I feel I like the M2 better because of the simplicity of the finder, and the simplicity overall. (I like what MCTuomey said)

If you can't get both I'd get the M2.
 
I never got a M4-2 neither a -P but after shooting around with a 3, 2, 4 and 6 all I can say is...

75% of the differences you´ll find between these cameras (assuming they´re in a proper working order) are just in your head. The real diferences: M3 lacks wide framelines, from the M4 up they´re marginally faster to load and up to the M6 there´s no light meter.

Leicas M are basically the same camera with very small diferences. Is not Nikon F series...

If you want to have it de-chromed, then if it was me I´d get a bargain user M2 for a few bucks (200$ ?) and give it a good cla. You´ll probably over pay for anything painted black.
 
I recently got my first Leica, and because I was getting a 35/2.5 CV to go with it, it came down to the M2 and M4-P for me. I chose the M2, and I'm glad I did. Beautiful, uncluttered VF, fantastic solid feel in the hands, I'm loving it. My only complaint is that so far I'm pretty damn slow when it comes to loading film in the thing....but I only shoot it for pleasure so it's not a big deal. Go for the M2, you won't regret it.
 
My only complaint is that so far I'm pretty damn slow when it comes to loading film in the thing...

It's seriously worth investing in a spare take-up spool or two.

Pre-attach the spool to your films before you go shooting, so that when the time comes to reload you can just pull the used film and spool and drop the fresh ones right in. I find working that way makes the M2 faster to reload than my M6.
 
Hi,
Be aware that later M4P's had the shrunken framelines. Apart from this there is little to choose between them if you are not using a 28 and 135. Most of the drawbacks of the M2 can be accomodated with things like an extended rewind attachment. If you intend to strip and paint you'll find the bare brass to be difficult to key the paint too, I think zinc may be easier to paint.

Best,

normclarke.
 
OT, but i agree w/trius - and am myself shamed by my own gear timidity versus the ferocious playfulness of vlad's approach
 
.....all I can say is...75% of the differences you´ll find between these cameras...are just in your head.

I think that your remark glosses over some very subtle but important distinctions between the Ms. For example, it is not just in my head that the later M4-Ps have different, smaller lines that will affect my shooting. Subtle and minor to some perhaps, but not just a psychological reality. Best, TW.
 
In my mind, it's pretty simple really. If 50 and 90 are important, the M2. If 28 is important, and occasionally a 75 (for heavy use the M4P is not great for 75), an early M4P.

Cheers,

Roland.
 
I use both, M2 and M4-P (MP and M8 too).
The M2 is a well hand made camera, if you need some repair with part(s) replacement on it, then the piece(s) should be adapted with some hand works on it.
The M2 is a beautiful camera, if you get used to the frame counter, then just go on.
The M4-P is also a nice one. Not as classical, but very nice to use.
The best solution: have both. 😀
 
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