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Here is my ugly duckling, with Milich adapter, collapsable Elmar 50/2.8, heavystar hood and Gordy strap - quite an eclectic collection!
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And here is what it does - I like the low contrast and "sharp but not bitingly sharp" aspects of the Elmar on the little G1:
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Brand new lurker with question... Looking for reasons to go for an EP-1 over GF-1, primarily on cost since an EP-1 kit is available for 200 bucks less than the panny body and lens. My rangefinder history is with a Contax G2, 28, 45 and 90mm lenses. Mainly shooting xprocessed Provia, TCN400 or even Kodak infrared. I used to pinch down the IR flare past the sprocket holes made by the Contax frame counter by placing a sliver of black electrical tape. An 89 filter which is nearly black was no problem when you use a rangefinder's separate VF.

Just being very frugal now... Would a leap from a panny mid range P&S to an EP-1 be worth going from $250ish to $679, given the AF issue, the screen issue (230K pixels), and the flash absence? Although I avoid using a flash 95% of the time anyway.
 
Any of the m4/3s cameras will blow away any of the small sensor cameras by a large margin.

Just bs'ing here, but if a modern Pany small sensor P&S produces an image of a "3" quality out of "10", then the EP-1 and GF-1 produce "9"s. Maybe the GF-1 makes a "9.1" imho, but the vast majority of the jump in quality is coming from the larger sensor, not from the specific camera.

You're also experiencing the internet phenomena of only seeing bad press about a product's shortcomings. The GF-1 has plenty of shortcomings too. The results -- final images -- from either camera are going to be very close.

Personally speaking, the best deal right now is one of the used Pany G1s in red or blue with the kit lens -- about $500 for a clean used one. You can add the 20/1.7 for $350 and have a nice compact only a tad larger than the EP-1 or GF-1 but with a real viewfinder. You can even sell the kit lens for $250 if you really want to be sly about it (although it is a great lens in its own right). That gets you a better Pany solution for $600 -- less than an EP-1.

Why buy a GF-1 or EP-1 only to buy an additional expensive EVF that is a PITA compared to one integrated into the body?

Of course I went back to film compacts so I am just Bs'ing. I just gave up on digital compacts -- too many small buttons for my big hands, hard to read with my 50-yr old eyes. A full-sized Nikon DSLR or a butt simple 35mm P&S seems to fit me better, ymmv.

I do wish Panasonic would just scale everything up 33% -- then they'd be perfect!
 
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FaradayCage said:
Just being very frugal now... Would a leap from a panny mid range P&S to an EP-1 be worth going from $250ish to $679, given the AF issue, the screen issue (230K pixels), and the flash absence? Although I avoid using a flash 95% of the time anyway.
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There is seriously no AF issue - the AF is better than most compact cameras, namely the canon g11, sigma dp1/2 and the ricoh grdIII (I played with and compared all of them to my e-p1 in Yodabashi camera, tokyo)

There is no screen issue either - it has a really nice screen. Who cares if you can't magnify the image on your lcd a million times and see the pixel structure - the AF is super super reliable so you don't really need to check.

The IQ is significantly better than any other point and shoot bar maybe the dp1/2. It's at the same level as the entry/mid level dslrs.

As Frank rightly said, the G1 is the bargain right now if you like the form factor and the viewfinder. The e-p1 is so sweet in use though.
 
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Frank Petronio said:
Any of the m4/3s cameras will blow away any of the small sensor cameras by a large margin.

Just bs'ing here, but if a modern Pany small sensor P&S produces an image of a "3" quality out of "10", then the EP-1 and GF-1 produce "9"s. Maybe the GF-1 makes a "9.1" imho, but the vast majority of the jump in quality is coming from the larger sensor, not from the specific camera.

You're also experiencing the internet phenomena of only seeing bad press about a product's shortcomings. The GF-1 has plenty of shortcomings too. The results -- final images -- from either camera are going to be very close.

Personally speaking, the best deal right now is one of the used Pany G1s in red or blue with the kit lens -- about $500 for a clean used one. You can add the 20/1.7 for $350 and have a nice compact only a tad larger than the EP-1 or GF-1 but with a real viewfinder. You can even sell the kit lens for $250 if you really want to be sly about it (although it is a great lens in its own right). That gets you a better Pany solution for $600 -- less than an EP-1.

Why buy a GF-1 or EP-1 only to buy an additional expensive EVF that is a PITA compared to one integrated into the body?

Of course I went back to film compacts so I am just Bs'ing.
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I agree strongly with Frank about the G1 and what a great deal it is. I use mine happily. I like the looks of the GF1, but I would want to use the electronic viewfinder all the time, so the G1 makes more sense in addition to being much cheaper.

Also the Panasonic cameras have significantly better autofocus performance than the Olympuses.
 
I'm hopefully biased toward the G1, being an early adapter (it's been a year already) but if you forsee needing an EVF and onboard flash, the G1 does it in a more compact size than either other solution.

As for the side grip, I find it essential to the ergonomics of cameras this size; there are folks adding makeshift side grips to their GF-1s and E-P1s. And with the 20mm-f/1.7 pancake lens attached, it protrudes beyond the side grip just a tad, so the side grip doesn't add enormously to the bulk of the camera body at all.

It tells you a lot about how good of a design the original G1 is, when subsequent models haven't yet surpassed it in functionality. No wonder it was Pop Photo's camera of the year for 2008.

~Joe
 
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The looks of the G1 are just right. I don't want subjects noticing it. :)
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I think this is a myth... people notice cameras completely, they just think photographers are wackjobs and choose to ignore them. I notice all cameras on the street. My GF notices cameras as well and she's not a photographer.
 
i'm curious about neck/wrist straps for the GF-1, and which half cases are available for it.

anyone have experience with this? the only cases i've found (other than ebay) are from Panasonic (out of stock) or from JapanExposures ($200).
 
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i'm curious about neck/wrist straps for the GF-1, and which half cases are available for it.

anyone have experience with this? the only cases i've found (other than ebay) are from Panasonic (out of stock) or from JapanExposures ($200).
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I don't have a case, but I bought a Gordy wrist strap and it's just right.
 
I've been looking at the Gordy Straps, but can't decide on the actual attachment type. I'm leaning towards the string mount, but the split ring seems more stable to me. Which would you recommend?
 
Of course I went back to film compacts so I am just Bs'ing. I just gave up on digital compacts -- too many small buttons for my big hands, hard to read with my 50-yr old eyes. A full-sized Nikon DSLR or a butt simple 35mm P&S seems to fit me better, ymmv.

I do wish Panasonic would just scale everything up 33% -- then they'd be perfect!
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I'm going the opposite route, going digital. I'll hang onto a couple film cameras cause they are fun to use. I've been all over the place regarding "THE" camera to buy and looks like the E-P2 will be the one. The X1 looks to have great IQ but is too limited form me, the GXR is almost like buying a whole new camera with each lens/sensor unit. I'm tired or doing resarch and want to take pictures....
John
 
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