yanidel
Well-known
I take 80% of my shots with the 35mm Summicron at F2 or F2.8
Yet, in street shooting I find it more and more too tight especially when the scene/subject is headed towards me and a very quick framing is needed. It results in cut feet and approximative compositions due to hesitations.
I had bought the CV25mm as I thought it was a good spacing with 35mm but F4 is too slow, especially for thin DOF that I like and I get confused by having 24mm and 35mm lines in the finder. So it looks like the new CV 28mm Ultron could be a good solution (Summicron is way out of my budget). Yet I am a bit reluctant to buy it as it kinds of look like non-sense to use both the 28mm and 35mm in the same kit, being so close.
Do any of you use both 28mm and 35mm the M8 as main lenses in your kit ? Can you share your experience and why such a choice ?
Yet, in street shooting I find it more and more too tight especially when the scene/subject is headed towards me and a very quick framing is needed. It results in cut feet and approximative compositions due to hesitations.
I had bought the CV25mm as I thought it was a good spacing with 35mm but F4 is too slow, especially for thin DOF that I like and I get confused by having 24mm and 35mm lines in the finder. So it looks like the new CV 28mm Ultron could be a good solution (Summicron is way out of my budget). Yet I am a bit reluctant to buy it as it kinds of look like non-sense to use both the 28mm and 35mm in the same kit, being so close.
Do any of you use both 28mm and 35mm the M8 as main lenses in your kit ? Can you share your experience and why such a choice ?
nksyoon
Well-known
What about the Zeiss 25/2.8? Popflash sells it with a modified mount for the right framelines on an M8.
I have both 28 and 35mm lenses but rarely carry both at the same time. It depends on the other lenses I carry at the time. For example, I might carry 15-28-50 or 21-35.
I have both 28 and 35mm lenses but rarely carry both at the same time. It depends on the other lenses I carry at the time. For example, I might carry 15-28-50 or 21-35.
Peter Klein
Well-known
I use both 35 and 28 on the M8. The 35 is my "normal" and the 28 is my "moderate wide." You might consider the 28/1.9 Voigtlander. Unlike the newer 28/2, it doesn't focus shift. It's lower contrast than your Leica lens, but very usable with a little bit of curve adjustment.
--Peter
--Peter
boy_lah
Discovering RF
Same boat here. I love the 50 on the m8 which is my portrait lens (efov 67mm). Don't like 35mm on the m8 much (then again, not fan of 50mm on m7 either) so i'm looking at either the 21mm or 25mm which will give me more like efov 28mm or 33mm. only prob is you need one that is specifically modified for m8 ie. can't use it on my m7. Also, f4 is a tad slow for me.
So...still considering:
21/4 (efov 28mm) - slow but usable if need be. a LTM version easily modified for m8
25/2.8 (efov 33mm) - only works with m8 if i get the modified version.
28/2 (efov 38m) - some reported issues with m8
My priorities are a fast (f2.8 acceptable, f2 preferred), compact and near 35mm efov.
Peter - re CV 28/1.9 - is that a big lens? I wasn't a fan of the nokton 35/1.2 even though it produced beautiful photos.
So...still considering:
21/4 (efov 28mm) - slow but usable if need be. a LTM version easily modified for m8
25/2.8 (efov 33mm) - only works with m8 if i get the modified version.
28/2 (efov 38m) - some reported issues with m8
My priorities are a fast (f2.8 acceptable, f2 preferred), compact and near 35mm efov.
Peter - re CV 28/1.9 - is that a big lens? I wasn't a fan of the nokton 35/1.2 even though it produced beautiful photos.
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Dingo
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I have unforgettable memories with the M8 + J12 (screw mount) combination :
An example which was posted before in other thread :
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An example which was posted before in other thread :
DC1030
DC1030
most of the time i use the elmarit 28/2.8 (pre asph.) or the summicron 35/2.0. i also got me a summilux pre asph which is usable at 1.4 only in very special cases. So i mostly prefer the 2.0 which also has the advantage to be able to focus to 0.7 meters.
The voiglander 21/4.0 often stays at home because it has 4.0 as largest aperture.
Same with the 35/1.2 because it is too big...
The voiglander 21/4.0 often stays at home because it has 4.0 as largest aperture.
Same with the 35/1.2 because it is too big...
boy_lah
Discovering RF
Some pix...Konica Hexanon 35/2 UC LTM
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urban_alchemist
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For my M8 I use a 35mm Summilux ASPH and a 28 Elmarit 2.8 (latest version).
The Summilux is a wonderful lense, even on the M8.
The Elmarit, however, is a lense I love to hate. It seems to lack that Leica 'glow' - I blame it on being overly contrasty, and at 2.8, when coupled with the M8's metal shutter, I find it too slow.
I've been eying the 28 Summicrons for a while now, but they seem to be holding up pretty well in value
The Summilux is a wonderful lense, even on the M8.
The Elmarit, however, is a lense I love to hate. It seems to lack that Leica 'glow' - I blame it on being overly contrasty, and at 2.8, when coupled with the M8's metal shutter, I find it too slow.
I've been eying the 28 Summicrons for a while now, but they seem to be holding up pretty well in value
J. Borger
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28 and 35mm are not too close on the M8.
I know for sure because i use the 35mm summilux pre-asph for streetshooting all the time and can't get used to the 28mm focal length for this at all.
I have a 28mm summicron sitting here on the shelf for a year now .... trying and trying it ... great lens in all posiible ways but the focal length does not suit me at all.....
Moral of the story ... try a cheap 28 to find out if it suits you!
I know for sure because i use the 35mm summilux pre-asph for streetshooting all the time and can't get used to the 28mm focal length for this at all.
I have a 28mm summicron sitting here on the shelf for a year now .... trying and trying it ... great lens in all posiible ways but the focal length does not suit me at all.....
Moral of the story ... try a cheap 28 to find out if it suits you!
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
For me, the step between 35 and 28 it too small. I had the 28 Elmarit asph, but sold it, because I always went to 21 on the M8. And in retrospect, looking at the images I took, I tend to agree with Urban Alchemist regarding its character, excellent though it is technically.
nksyoon
Well-known
Not Peter, but here's a pic (from cameraquest.com) with both lenses - the 28/1.9 is a lot smaller and lighter than the 35/1.2.
kbg32
neo-romanticist
My "go to" lenses for the M8 are the 21/2.8 Elamrit and/or the ZM 18/4 Distagon. Depending on how wide I want to go. The 21 Elmarit non apherical is my normal lens. Wonderful subtle character.
boy_lah
Discovering RF
whether a efov is too short/long for you is a very personal thing. I live in London and 35mm suits me better. When in 'larger' places with more open space e.g US / Australia - I prefer 50mm.
To try and see what efov suits you is definately good advise.
cheers! still looks like a big lens but not as big as nokton 35/1.2
How do you get around the 6bit coding thing + ir cut? I assume the Elamrit maybe coded already but the ZM would not be. Did you get the mount modified or just don't use 6bit nor IR cut?
I find i need the 6bit and ir cut not so much for the vinyetting or corner cyan shift but more for a general magneta cast - many of my pix without ir cut just looks 'off'. And this is using my 35mm and 50mm lens not wide like 21mm. Any thoughts / experience?
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Tom Niblick
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The 35 Summicron is my main lens for my M8 with a 21/2.8 ZM as my wide. Like the OP, I find that too many times I'd like a lens that splits the difference. Wearing glasses, the 24 frame is too hard to see, so that leaves a 28.
Now I do have a M mount CV 35/2.5 boxed with a hood in excellent condition that I'd love to trade for a black CV/28/3.5 if anyone is interested...
Tom
printmaker@hawaiilink.net
http://www.kauaisprintmaker.com/
Now I do have a M mount CV 35/2.5 boxed with a hood in excellent condition that I'd love to trade for a black CV/28/3.5 if anyone is interested...
Tom
printmaker@hawaiilink.net
http://www.kauaisprintmaker.com/
furcafe
Veteran
I use the 28/2 Sumicron (used to use the CV 28/1.9 Ultron) w/the 35/1.4 Summilux all the time on my M8, just like I use a 35mm w/a 50mm on my film bodies. I don't think the 2 focal lengths are "so close" @ all.
I only wish Leica or Cosina was offering a 28/1.4 (Leica's forthcoming 21/1.4 & 24/1.4 are too wide for me), as f/2 is too slow for much of what I shoot w/digital (low-light color).
I only wish Leica or Cosina was offering a 28/1.4 (Leica's forthcoming 21/1.4 & 24/1.4 are too wide for me), as f/2 is too slow for much of what I shoot w/digital (low-light color).
yanidel
Well-known
In the end, I bought the 28mm Ultron today ! I went on Les Champs-Elysées for a quick try out in terrible weather. First impressions are great, 28mm is not too close to 35mm and it meets exactly the purpose I bought it for. My first keeper was way off focus ... you can see it here : http://blog.yanidel.com/2008/12/02/wind-flurries-on-les-champs-elysees/
But in the end, I like the result as it shows the atmosphere this real sh...y weather night
(note that the M8 resisted well some water ...)
But in the end, I like the result as it shows the atmosphere this real sh...y weather night
(note that the M8 resisted well some water ...)
DwF
Well-known
Excellent choice!
Excellent choice!
Congrats! You can't go wrong with the 28 Ultron 1.9
If I had to pick one lens for the M8 it would be a 28. Which 28 is a matter of preference as this thread shows. I also love the 21mm Elmarit pre-asph as KBG32 mentioned.
Happy shooting on the Champs!
David
Excellent choice!
Congrats! You can't go wrong with the 28 Ultron 1.9
If I had to pick one lens for the M8 it would be a 28. Which 28 is a matter of preference as this thread shows. I also love the 21mm Elmarit pre-asph as KBG32 mentioned.
Happy shooting on the Champs!
David
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danhefner
Newbie
I have both 28mm and 35mm lenses, but I wouldn't -usually- travel with them because they are so close (28+50 or 21/24+35 would be more typical).
Honestly, a prime reason to have both is for different kinds of photography. I have gotten into street photography this year, and I find that 28mm is my favorite for that type of stuff. I usually stop down to 5.6 or so (sometimes 8), and don't even always frame the picture (shooting from the hip, literally). Unless the light is super-contrasty, then I favor the Leica 28mm Elmarit 2.8. It draws well enough but it's SO unobtrusive, which is a big deal in taking candid shots.
For most other types of shots, I prefer 35mm on the M8. I greatly like the Summicron f2.0 (my first lens), but (this week!) I will acquire the 35 'lux f1.4 and probably sell the summicron. The reason? I like composing so much with shallow depth of field and take a lot of shots indoors with available light. I find myself shooting wide open often with my 50 summilux, and I too often find myself wishing I had that at 35mm.
Honestly, a prime reason to have both is for different kinds of photography. I have gotten into street photography this year, and I find that 28mm is my favorite for that type of stuff. I usually stop down to 5.6 or so (sometimes 8), and don't even always frame the picture (shooting from the hip, literally). Unless the light is super-contrasty, then I favor the Leica 28mm Elmarit 2.8. It draws well enough but it's SO unobtrusive, which is a big deal in taking candid shots.
For most other types of shots, I prefer 35mm on the M8. I greatly like the Summicron f2.0 (my first lens), but (this week!) I will acquire the 35 'lux f1.4 and probably sell the summicron. The reason? I like composing so much with shallow depth of field and take a lot of shots indoors with available light. I find myself shooting wide open often with my 50 summilux, and I too often find myself wishing I had that at 35mm.
danhefner
Newbie
I have both 28mm and 35mm lenses, but I wouldn't -usually- travel with them because they are so close (28+50 or 21/24+35 would be more typical).
Honestly, a prime reason to have both is for different kinds of photography. I have gotten into street photography this year, and I find that 28mm is my favorite for that type of stuff. I usually stop down to 5.6 or so (sometimes 8), and don't even always frame the picture (shooting from the hip, literally). Unless the light is super-contrasty, then I favor the Leica 28mm Elmarit 2.8. It draws well enough but it's SO unobtrusive, which is a big deal in taking candid shots.
For most other types of shots, I prefer 35mm on the M8. I greatly like the Summicron f2.0 (my first lens), but (this week!) I will acquire the 35 'lux f1.4 and probably sell the summicron. The reason? I like composing so much with shallow depth of field and take a lot of shots indoors with available light. I find myself shooting wide open often with my 50 summilux, and I too often find myself wishing I had that at 35mm.
Honestly, a prime reason to have both is for different kinds of photography. I have gotten into street photography this year, and I find that 28mm is my favorite for that type of stuff. I usually stop down to 5.6 or so (sometimes 8), and don't even always frame the picture (shooting from the hip, literally). Unless the light is super-contrasty, then I favor the Leica 28mm Elmarit 2.8. It draws well enough but it's SO unobtrusive, which is a big deal in taking candid shots.
For most other types of shots, I prefer 35mm on the M8. I greatly like the Summicron f2.0 (my first lens), but (this week!) I will acquire the 35 'lux f1.4 and probably sell the summicron. The reason? I like composing so much with shallow depth of field and take a lot of shots indoors with available light. I find myself shooting wide open often with my 50 summilux, and I too often find myself wishing I had that at 35mm.
cam
the need for speed
yanidel -- congrats!
if you ever want to try out a 21mm on the M8, send me a PM.
i have a 21/2.8 Elmarit that has been sitting in a drawer for months. i got it in the deal with my R-D1, used it once and declared it too big, too slow, and too boring. stupid me -- i tested it out on my fourth day with the Epson when i really had no clue whatsoever.... i possibly may love it now, though size and speed is still likely an issue.
so i'm taking it out again to see how i like a 21mm on the Epson in practice, rather than worrying about the character of the lens. (i still think i need something faster than f/2.8 so this is an issue i'm checking as well.) anyway, an open invitation for you to borrow it for a few days if you start getting a hankering for something wider.
if you ever want to try out a 21mm on the M8, send me a PM.
i have a 21/2.8 Elmarit that has been sitting in a drawer for months. i got it in the deal with my R-D1, used it once and declared it too big, too slow, and too boring. stupid me -- i tested it out on my fourth day with the Epson when i really had no clue whatsoever.... i possibly may love it now, though size and speed is still likely an issue.
so i'm taking it out again to see how i like a 21mm on the Epson in practice, rather than worrying about the character of the lens. (i still think i need something faster than f/2.8 so this is an issue i'm checking as well.) anyway, an open invitation for you to borrow it for a few days if you start getting a hankering for something wider.