Ricko of Fla
Established
I came from a canon 20D and did not get any noise in my pictures. Purchased the M8 for a lot more money $$ and I am finding a lot of noise in my pictures. Are the other owners of a M8 finding this problem also. I read the the M8.2 has less noise than the M8, has anyone seen the difference if there is any. I am using older lens if this makes any difference.
Are any one of you using a noise reduction software.
This is very upsetting to have this problem with this camera.
Hope to hear from all of you on this forum, about this.
Are any one of you using a noise reduction software.
This is very upsetting to have this problem with this camera.
Hope to hear from all of you on this forum, about this.
SteveRD1
Well-known
I would hope that you researched the M8 before purchasing? It is good up to ISO 640, and you can get usable results at 1250 if your exposure is spot on. The M8 and M8.2 are EXACTLY the same as far as Image Quality and noise go. No difference.
The M8 is not a high ISO camera, but still I use it daily in all kinds of situations and it has provided me the best IQ of any camera I have ever shot with. I have my review on my site if interested in reading more about the M8 noise.
The M8 is not a high ISO camera, but still I use it daily in all kinds of situations and it has provided me the best IQ of any camera I have ever shot with. I have my review on my site if interested in reading more about the M8 noise.
jarski
Veteran
I've used Noise Ninja for reducing noise in my photos. comes as separate app and Photoshop plugin.
try faster lens and smaller ISO, just as in film days ?
M8 and M8.2 both have same sensor I believe, so same noise levels (I dont own either, just what I've read).
try faster lens and smaller ISO, just as in film days ?
M8 and M8.2 both have same sensor I believe, so same noise levels (I dont own either, just what I've read).
jaapv
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Expose for the shadows - and switch off ALL noise-reduction and sharpening on RAW conversion. You will get quite clean files, on 1250 it might need the slightest touch of Noise Ninja, but usually not. Even 2500 is quite usable that way.
Roger Hicks
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I defer to Jaap on this, but basically, I'm glad I don't mind noise, which I regard as digital grain.
Cheers,
R.
Cheers,
R.
Gary Sandhu
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some points: Don't judge noise by the M8's lcd. Shoot DNG, and process in lightroom, or whatever. Don't use M8 generated JPG's. Also, don't only look at noise, but also at details, and as well the type of noise -- you may find that the canon's render less noise but also much less detail.
hans voralberg
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Noise, yeah a bit, but the detail is breathtaking Learn to love the grain !!
Learn to love the grain !!
KM-25
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Right, so what folks are saying here is instead of like most cameras where you expose for mid tone value at say, ISO 1250, you have to overexpose the M8 by at least two stops which means you are effectively shooting at ISO 320 anyway, which just so happens to be a clean speed on the M8.
Most cameras do not need this treatment, you can expose them at mid tone value and come out fine with low noise.
I have some nice files from when I had the M8, but as a professional who wanted to use the M8 for pro work, it just did not cut it. Not only was it noisy above ISO 320, it had terrible moire and strange artifacts on certain fine details with every raw converter I used. One stock client thought I had cut corners and used a point and shoot because of the odd blobbing of high contrast details, LOL!
I think the M8 is a good little camera, but there is much better image quality out there for the money, especially when you put a Zeiss ZF on a D700 / D3 or D3X.
But what do I know, haha, I am just a working professional...
dfoo
Well-known
To get clean files from a 5d at ISO 1600 you have to ensure not to underexpose. Same advice above, no?
swoop
Well-known
First, the M8 and M8.2 are exactly the same in terms of image quality. The only differences are mechanical and cosmetic.
I use Apple Aperture and it has built in noise reduction which works well up to ISO 640. At 1250, it gets iffy. Start printing your photos and you won't care. Noise rarely shows up in prints.
I use Apple Aperture and it has built in noise reduction which works well up to ISO 640. At 1250, it gets iffy. Start printing your photos and you won't care. Noise rarely shows up in prints.
Ricko of Fla
Established
Thanks for all the info, have to digest all of this. I shoot at 160 and in raw and covert in Lightroom.
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willie_901
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What KM-25 said...
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Use Noise Ninja (or whatever) and destroy all that Leica image crispness by averaging noisy pixels with less noisy neighboring pixels (also know as filtering or as photographers incorrectly say "noise reduction"... which is impossible).
The only solution is keep the ISO where the M8 performance suits your taste and compensate with fast lenses and slow shutter speeds.
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Use Noise Ninja (or whatever) and destroy all that Leica image crispness by averaging noisy pixels with less noisy neighboring pixels (also know as filtering or as photographers incorrectly say "noise reduction"... which is impossible).
The only solution is keep the ISO where the M8 performance suits your taste and compensate with fast lenses and slow shutter speeds.