jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I must confess that I've never lost a SD card either. A CF card, yes. Corrupted files, didn't want to do anything, recovery software no succes, expert assesment: irrepairable.Sandisk Ultra to boot. I got a new card for free, but that did not recover my files. Besides that,horror scenarios like lost, stolen, mechanically damaged in the camera bag, eaten by the dog, dropped in the Piranha basin at the zoo, etc... I like redundancy. Stupid is too strong in retrospect, Sorry. Let's say risky.rvaubel said:
I'm perfectly happy to take ten cards and a CD marker pen with me when I get on that plane to Africa. It sure is better that 200 films in lead bags
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truando
Member
There's new information at Leica regarding SD cards
http://www.leica-camera.us/service/downloads/rangefinder_cameras/m8/
cheers
Olivier
http://www.leica-camera.us/service/downloads/rangefinder_cameras/m8/
cheers
Olivier
Steve L
Established
Here's hoping that the chart Olivier pointed to is out of date, and that is why the Sandisk 4-gig SDHC card isn't on it - only a few uncommon brands 4-gig cards are mentioned....and no indication of SDHC or not...
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I still feel that in practical daily use this is rather a non-issue.
egpj
50 Summilux is da DEVIL!
jaapv said:
For you a "non-issue" but for others who also pay the "top-dollar"......
egpj
50 Summilux is da DEVIL!
Steve L said:
Exactly what I have been saying all along. That list is new (on the website) not old.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Exactly this kind of discussion was had on various Canon forums a few years ago, when the faster CF cards started appearing on the market. It turned out that the advertised writing speed had but a limited relationship to the speed of using the camera and had no practical influence on the actual use of the camera's at all....Sorry, I'm a photographer, not a bytes-geek.(without wanting to put you guys in that category at all, just trying to keep a balanced perspective...) And as I said, the use of huge cards is a questionable practice anyhow. I don't really see what this has to do with top (or bottom) dollar.
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egpj
50 Summilux is da DEVIL!
To leicas credit they have never said they support SDHC in the camera via their official documentation. We have only heard by word of mouth. Word of mouth conflicting with official documentation or even vague official information.
Suffice it to to say that, as of now the M8 does not accept SDHC cards until there is official word from Leica to the contrary.
I am still getting an M8 mind you but without the SDHC compatability then the guts of the camera are not all that they could have been. A little example, I have a big V-8 engine in my Avalanch. 95% of the time I baby the truck along and don't stress. But every once in a while I need that V-8 to move that vehicle quickly into traffic or to get out of someones way that wants to go faster then me. It's nice to have. There will be times when the SDHC would have been "nice to have". Mind you that is just a conceptual analogy. I think that pretty much sums it up for me so I'll drop it there.
Suffice it to to say that, as of now the M8 does not accept SDHC cards until there is official word from Leica to the contrary.
I am still getting an M8 mind you but without the SDHC compatability then the guts of the camera are not all that they could have been. A little example, I have a big V-8 engine in my Avalanch. 95% of the time I baby the truck along and don't stress. But every once in a while I need that V-8 to move that vehicle quickly into traffic or to get out of someones way that wants to go faster then me. It's nice to have. There will be times when the SDHC would have been "nice to have". Mind you that is just a conceptual analogy. I think that pretty much sums it up for me so I'll drop it there.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Well, maybe that is the difference, In Europe we get 2.2 litre fourcylinder diesels for our cars and cruise the Autobahn a 220 km/h.
Geoff Hall
Newbie
I have tried to stay on top of Secure Digital memory cards issues as best as possible. Additionally, I have conducted extensive manufacturer product compatibility beta testing.
First, this past week, while looking over the M8, I spoke with three Leica representatives who all adamantly assured me that the Leica M8 does indeed support SDHC cards in addition to traditional Secure Digital memory cards. However, there has been a ongoing record of inaccuracies in published Leica documents regarding digital specs, which have fueled confusion, and the latest Leica issued sheet on “Compatible SD Memory Cards for the Leica M8” speaks nothing to SDHC memory cards.
Second, there is a bit of confusing in the market place over SD and SDHC memory cards and host devices due mainly in part to the fact that many card manufacturers, popular bands included, have failed to follow the SD Card Association standards.
Basically Secure Digital and SDHC products fall with in four categories:
SD Specification Version 1.1 allows for data transfer of 8bits at 50MHz. SD Spec v.1.1 Secure Digital memory cards are usually denoted by speed ratings greater than 100X. One memory card manufacturer, of extreme popularity, as had a card out on the market that is neither spec v. 1.0 or v. 1.1. It runs at the faster 50MHz but with only 4bits of data transfer, not 8bits.
SD Specification Version 2.0, aka SDHC, officially supports FAT32, which enables recognition of capacities beyond 2GB. Actually, to be more exact, FAT16 covers up to 2.2GB. Of significant note is the fact that SDHC cards use sector addressing as opposed to the traditional byte addressing of previous SD cards. All SDHC memory cards are denoted by the SDHC emblem.
Properly designed SD Specification Version 2.0 host devices accept all previous SD spec version memory cards. Therefore, the latest SDHC compliant cameras and readers will host all previous version cards that adhered strictly to one of the SD Card Association standards.
There are a number of 4GB Secure Digital memory cards that have been introduced in the past year. Theses are not SDHC memory cards and were designed and released to market before the SD Specification Version 2.0 was completed. They do not adhere to any industry standard. They do not provide sector addressing. They may or may not work in various host devices and this has lead, in a large part, to the current round of confusion. My advance for long term reliability and usability with future devices would be to steer clear of this product.
SDHC memory cards are not speed rated by an “X factor” but rather denoted as fitting into a “Class.” The Class rating was implemented as a more faithful indication of what type of performance a given card could safely be expected to delivery. Previous X factor ratings were fairly misleading at times to what could actually be achieved.
Personally, I am awaiting the release of the new 8GB SDHC memory cards from ATP, a company known for it’s steadfast adherence to SD Card Association standards, selection of top quality components and industrial strength manufacturing and durability.
Properly designed memory cards that are properly used and maintain are of little cause of concern for failure. This includes always reformatting the card, in said camera, after each session and utilizing a card reader, in place of the camera, to transfer images to the computer.
First, this past week, while looking over the M8, I spoke with three Leica representatives who all adamantly assured me that the Leica M8 does indeed support SDHC cards in addition to traditional Secure Digital memory cards. However, there has been a ongoing record of inaccuracies in published Leica documents regarding digital specs, which have fueled confusion, and the latest Leica issued sheet on “Compatible SD Memory Cards for the Leica M8” speaks nothing to SDHC memory cards.
Second, there is a bit of confusing in the market place over SD and SDHC memory cards and host devices due mainly in part to the fact that many card manufacturers, popular bands included, have failed to follow the SD Card Association standards.
Basically Secure Digital and SDHC products fall with in four categories:
• SD Specification Version 1.0
• SD Specification Version 1.1
• SD Specification Version 2.0
• Non-compliant SD memory cards
SD Specification Version 1.0 provides for data transfer of 4bits at 25MHz.• SD Specification Version 1.1
• SD Specification Version 2.0
• Non-compliant SD memory cards
SD Specification Version 1.1 allows for data transfer of 8bits at 50MHz. SD Spec v.1.1 Secure Digital memory cards are usually denoted by speed ratings greater than 100X. One memory card manufacturer, of extreme popularity, as had a card out on the market that is neither spec v. 1.0 or v. 1.1. It runs at the faster 50MHz but with only 4bits of data transfer, not 8bits.
SD Specification Version 2.0, aka SDHC, officially supports FAT32, which enables recognition of capacities beyond 2GB. Actually, to be more exact, FAT16 covers up to 2.2GB. Of significant note is the fact that SDHC cards use sector addressing as opposed to the traditional byte addressing of previous SD cards. All SDHC memory cards are denoted by the SDHC emblem.
Properly designed SD Specification Version 2.0 host devices accept all previous SD spec version memory cards. Therefore, the latest SDHC compliant cameras and readers will host all previous version cards that adhered strictly to one of the SD Card Association standards.
There are a number of 4GB Secure Digital memory cards that have been introduced in the past year. Theses are not SDHC memory cards and were designed and released to market before the SD Specification Version 2.0 was completed. They do not adhere to any industry standard. They do not provide sector addressing. They may or may not work in various host devices and this has lead, in a large part, to the current round of confusion. My advance for long term reliability and usability with future devices would be to steer clear of this product.
SDHC memory cards are not speed rated by an “X factor” but rather denoted as fitting into a “Class.” The Class rating was implemented as a more faithful indication of what type of performance a given card could safely be expected to delivery. Previous X factor ratings were fairly misleading at times to what could actually be achieved.
Personally, I am awaiting the release of the new 8GB SDHC memory cards from ATP, a company known for it’s steadfast adherence to SD Card Association standards, selection of top quality components and industrial strength manufacturing and durability.
Properly designed memory cards that are properly used and maintain are of little cause of concern for failure. This includes always reformatting the card, in said camera, after each session and utilizing a card reader, in place of the camera, to transfer images to the computer.
gurtch
Established
I just bought a 4 gig Ridata 150X card, with anticipation of using it with the M8 (along with an older 2 Gig 150X Ridata). Nowhere does it say SDHC. I just assumed when Leica said cards up to 4 Gig would work, that they meant all 4 gig cards. They do have a down load file with compatible SD cards, and there are only several 4 Gig cards. Ridata is NOT listed. Keep your fingers crossed. Does anyone know if the "SDHC" cards will be compatible with the existing card readers we have? I must confess, I don't know what "SDHC" means. Anyone help?
Thanks
Dave
Thanks
Dave
wparsons
Bill Parsons (Boston)
Geoff Hall said:
Jeff,
I no longer tether my D2 to my new computer, because it has a nice multi-card reader. But, what's wrong with the practice of USB-ing from the camera to the computer? I used to do this all the time with the previous computer.
I always, however, reformat after every use -- in the camera, as you suggest.
So, what's wrong with transfering via the camera?
tnx,