M8 Issues and Resolutions

Tiresome thread. I'm weary of posters attempt to expose expertise and intelligence when it is of no use to anyone. I have two M8's. They are terrible. Buy something
else. I really don't care.
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Lets go OT with images, much more interesting than this rehash...;)


Yesterday evening at the Van Nelle Ontwerpfabriek in Rotterdam. ISO 640, Summicron 20/35 asph Handheld.


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[QUOTEBen Z]The shutter isn't loud, it's the motorwind. [/QUOTE]

Pardon me if I sound like I don't own an M8 (I don't), I'm just trying to understand the issues you folks are discussing; but what exactly is a "motorwinder" doing on a digital camera in the first place? The camera doesn't advance film, since it doesn't use film, and it doesn't have to cycle an SLR mirror up and back since it's a rangefinder.

I guess I don't understand where the excess noise of the M8 comes from. Perhaps someone can (politely?) inform me?

~Joe
 
I don't think I've been on an other forum that knocks the M8 as much as this one. It seems that all the people that knock it are the ones that have spent all their money on M6's & 7's or dslr's and have nothing left to invest in what i call one of the best cameras I've ever owned, never so much as a hiccup in the most severe conditions. The shutter is only noisy if you compare it to another M camera but compared to most DSLR's it's quiet. My Nikon D200 compared to my M8 is a piece of crap, doesn't auto focus well, color is off and in cold weather it fogs up, so what's to like about a Nikon! So breakdown guys don't knock it unless you try it, you can alway have a sale on your older equipment, if you can get anyone to buy it.
 
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JoeV said:
Pardon me if I sound like I don't own an M8 (I don't), I'm just trying to understand the issues you folks are discussing; but what exactly is a "motorwinder" doing on a digital camera in the first place? The camera doesn't advance film, since it doesn't use film, and it doesn't have to cycle an SLR mirror up and back since it's a rangefinder.
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Hi Joe-- It's the motorized recocking of the shutter that adds to the sound of the shutter itself. How much noise is due to the shutter, and how much to the recocking motor, is the question. :)

The discussion reminds me of the Bronica RF645, which some have complained has a funny-sounding delayed shutter release. Actually, its leaf shutter is virtually silent, and what the user mainly hears is a funny buzz-wheeze that is the electronic shutter recocking after the exposure.
 
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in my humble opinion the M8 doesn't have any 'issues'





any real issues arent issues anymore
and the other items you list, of the ones that have any truth, well they are just characteristics.... they can hardly been seen as 'problems' or 'errors'
 
My M8's shutter failed after 15 months of extremely satisfying, uninterupted use. I actually was waiting for something to happen, as the shutter collar was starting to become looser through time. I don't know if this caused the shutter to fail. I was hoping the camera would make it to the shutter upgrade that is beginning this August. Now the camera is at Leica New Jersey. I am waiting to hear what is to be done.
 
The shutter collar has no mechanicat connection to the shutter itself.
It may well be (although I never heard of it happening before) that the loosening cause it to fail mechanically, making for a relatively simple repair. Otoh, if the shutter itself failed, which it shouldn't after 15000 exposures, the LCD will display "Shutter Failure"
 
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in my humble opinion all cameras have full of "issues".... some just managed to live with it, and some don't.
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well maybe you're expectations are too high

but certainly, the items being discussed here are characteristics or worst way, quirks. Every consumer item has these whether it be a plasma tv or a ipod shuffle, nothing is perfect and exactly the way we want it. The ipod is an appaling product for example when one looks to the competition, as is the iphone. As for things going wrong and needing fixing, that happens to everything that can and is made by man, from cars to coathangers.

the only problems that were within standard expectations from a high end digital camera were the white balance and the IR issues. Both of these have been resolved.
 
I agree that Leica fixed white balance issue with firmware upgrade. But fixing IR issue with UV/IR filter is a quick fix like putting a bandaid.

By the way I shot some pictures freely without worrying about UV/IR filter flare issue with my R-D1s on Sunday.
 
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I don't think R-D1 has IR issue like M8 and don't need UV/IR filter.
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Yes, it does have an IR "PROBLEM" (not an "issue"*) depending on where and what you're shooting. Try shooting a play, for instance, under standard stage lighting, where the players are wearing black items such as formal wear. I have a complete purple-pants shoot of a play with the R-D1 because I forgot to put on an IR filter.

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It may be the first time you've read about it but from personal experience owning it, it is real, but much less than the M8. My son's Nikon D70 that has the same sensor does it too, but less. In a perverse sort of way the M8 IR filter issue was a good thing for me, because it showed me how to solve the problem with my R-D1. Before that I had no idea what caused it or how to deal with it.
 
I see. The good thing is that R-D1 doesn't have IR issue as M8.
But I'm definately sure that I can shoot more freely without UV/IR filter with R-D1.
 
Jaap,

The LCD screen showed " ATTENTION SHUTTER FAULT", as well, "Errr" appeared in the finder. So it very well may be that my shutter has failed after 4200 exposures. Never say never. The loosening of the collar could have caused something internally to disconnect, causing shutter failure. I am hoping it is an easy fix. I just wish it was closer in time to the shutter upgrade that is occuring in August.
 
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bluepenguin said:
I see. The good thing is that R-D1 doesn't have IR issue as M8.
But I'm definately sure that I can shoot more freely without UV/IR filter with R-D1.
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Yes definitely. But when you will need an IR filter on a wide-angle lens, the R-D1 does not have built-in correction for the cyan corner shift so you will need to identify (no lens data in EXIF) and correct them all manually with PT-Tools (Cornerfix only reads DNG).
 
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