Joe Mondello
Resu Deretsiger
Hey Tim, they like it! 
Me too!
Me too!
laptoprob
back to basics
First, I have no M8, but thinking doesn't hurt.
So quality waterproof markers don't hold long enough and milling is the only option for more or less permanent markings?
Then the method of milling is the nr. 1 obstacle.
Dremel tools?
So quality waterproof markers don't hold long enough and milling is the only option for more or less permanent markings?
Then the method of milling is the nr. 1 obstacle.
Dremel tools?
Richard Marks
Rexel
Ben Z said:
Ben Im sure this works but Stu is right its a problem if you plan to one day trade in.
I suspect some kind of enamel clear coating would help. There is some stuff in the motor industry used on paint touch ups.
Personally I have a new 28 with 6 bit and my only other lenses are a 50 and 90 so not too vital for coding.
Richard
Stu W
Well-known
Here's a product that may stand up longer than a sharpie. Mark the lens with the coder and a pencil. Dab on the varnish. Stu
http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/4228.html
http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/4228.html
etrigan63
Rangefinder Padawan
Too late, John Milich makes those already (sort of). Pre-milled and you add the marks.Hartlén said:
Wouldn't that have to be clear varnish?Stu W said:
laptoprob
back to basics
As long as it is dark and non-transparent it should work I think, as opposed to shiny metal representing the white bits.
Biggest problem is the thickness if you don't want to mill. The mounting flange leaves virtually no space for ink or varnish.
Biggest problem is the thickness if you don't want to mill. The mounting flange leaves virtually no space for ink or varnish.
Gary Sandhu
Well-known
How about instead of holes through which the Sharpie/varnish/whatever is applied, you instead leave a gap of somekind. In this gap, a clear sticker with the coding is applied. Along with your gadget, you would supply a bunch of stickers (pre-printed on an 8x10 self-adhesive clear sheet -- cheap) for different lens codings. Your gadget would make application of the stickers easy.
--Gary
--Gary
baycrest
Established
Not Necessary at All
Not Necessary at All
Why go to all that trouble ?
As you have correctly pointed out, using templates is a real pain and waste of time.
I've tried it as well and wasted much time fiddling with paper and clear plastic templates with very poor results and then it dawned on me a more simple method which doesn't require a template at all.
Best Rob
Not Necessary at All
Why go to all that trouble
?As you have correctly pointed out, using templates is a real pain and waste of time.
I've tried it as well and wasted much time fiddling with paper and clear plastic templates with very poor results and then it dawned on me a more simple method which doesn't require a template at all.
- With the lens removed from the camera body, mark the body's mount on the side of the grey ring where the 6 corresponding diodes line up.
- Attached the lens that requires codiing and mark the side of the lens mount that lines up to the corresponding marks you just made in step 1.
- Remove the lens and you can see the marks on the side of the lens mount. Simply now use your marker and "paint" the black lines that line up with the side of your mount onto the lens mount that faces the diodes. (As you know you only need to paint the "black" markings, the white ones are not necessary to paint)
Best Rob
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docolmo
Member
Richard Marks said:
You know the answer. The want to ensure that people buy only Leica lens. (At least old ones can be coded permanently). Otherwise, people will start buying Zeiss, or even Voigtlander.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Bad idea as it changes the distance between lens and film plane.Gary Sandhu said:
Philipp
Richard Marks
Rexel
docolmo said:
Yes i am sure this is the reason, but I cant imagine many people are taking them up on it. I really would not be without my kit for 4-6 weeks.
I suspect those who are going to buy CV or Zeiss will do so anyway and worry about coding later (at least i hope so). Perhaps Zeiss and CV could be pursuaded to do the coding thing? That would really be handy!
boilerdoc2
Well-known
Ben, Get this idea up and running! I think it is a great thing. i'd use it to accurately make the Sharpie marks then drill a few dimples to make more permanent . Put me on your list!!!
Steve
Steve
etrigan63
Rangefinder Padawan
boilerdoc2 said:
That would be Tim, not Ben.
Ben Z
Veteran
Richard Marks said:
Honestly I think the fact my lenses are permanently coded may be a selling point, especially the several which are not on the list of one's Leica will code. I agree though, if I had rare collector's lenses I wouldn't have taken a grinding bit to the flanges!
baycrest said:Why go to all that trouble
As you have correctly pointed out, using templates is a real pain and waste of time.
I've tried it as well and wasted much time fiddling with paper and clear plastic templates with very poor results and then it dawned on me a more simple method which doesn't require a template at all.
Literally takes less than 2 minutes the first time and of course 10 seconds to "refresh" when it wears off, since you can still see where the old "black" marks off.
- With the lens removed from the camera body, mark the body's mount on the side of the grey ring where the 6 corresponding diodes line up.
- Attached the lens that requires codiing and mark the side of the lens mount that lines up to the corresponding marks you just made in step 1.
- Remove the lens and you can see the marks on the side of the lens mount. Simply now use your marker and "paint" the black lines that line up with the side of your mount onto the lens mount that faces the diodes. (As you know you only need to paint the "black" markings, the white ones are not necessary to paint)
Best Rob
Great minds think alike
I posted almost the same description of how I did mine a couple weeks ago. The only difference is instead of using a marker I ground little shallow troughs and filled them with automotive touch-up paint.
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haagen_dazs
Well-known
Richard Marks said:
perhaps leica might have patented that coding idea/concept/location on mount
terrycioni
Established
When...
When...
Hi Tim,
Terry C in Vancouver. I met you with Mr. A way back in June. All I can add is..... when can we purchase this brilliant idea?
Terry.
When...
Hi Tim,
Terry C in Vancouver. I met you with Mr. A way back in June. All I can add is..... when can we purchase this brilliant idea?
Terry.
Richard Marks
Rexel
haagen_dazs said:
I doubt that the coding is protected by a patent. Even if it were it would not be in breach to code lenses for use with an M8. It would only get tricky if Zeiss or CV used the coding idea on a digital rangefinder. Zeiss get on with it!!
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
I would buy one...without a doubt.
etrigan63
Rangefinder Padawan
Richard Marks said:
Only tricky if they did something similar. If they licensed the technology from Leica, there would be no legal issue around its use. Only a cost one as it would make their lenses more expensive.
The only real way for the rangefinder community to benefit from this would be if Leica released the coding mechanism into the public domain, maybe expanding it by two bits quadrupling the number of combinations reserving the base six bits for leica glass.
jvr
Well-known
Well, although I don't have a Leica M8, I would buy one of those on the spot. Great idea, hopefully with good implementation!
As soon as you have them on sale (do it quickly, or you could get bypassed by someone!), I want one! Maybe I already have my M8 by then...
As soon as you have them on sale (do it quickly, or you could get bypassed by someone!
), I want one! Maybe I already have my M8 by then...