C_R
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Guess what is what: M9 and Elmarit 28 Asph., conversion with Capture One Pro 6.0 and the other is Fujica GSW690III with Velvia 50, scanned with a Hasselblad-Imacon X1 @3200 dpi
No. 1
No 2
I have original size crops here, but it is too obvious then
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38068178@N08/
http://www.carstenranke.com
No. 1

No 2

I have original size crops here, but it is too obvious then
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38068178@N08/
http://www.carstenranke.com
gavinlg
Veteran
I'll have to guess the top one is the m9, though it doesn't really matter... Either way, the m9 is one impressive image maker!
250swb
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OK, this example is on film, but this is why Luminous Landscape included the M9 in their recent article on digital medium format...
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/2010_mini_medium_format_shoot_out.shtml
Steve
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/2010_mini_medium_format_shoot_out.shtml
Steve
C_R
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@Steve: yes, LL has some provocant stuff, do you know this article ?
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml
Quote: "In every case no one could reliably tell the difference between 13X19" prints shot with the $40,000 Hasselblad and Phase One 39 Megapixel back, and the new $500 Canon G10."
This is the point: we all discuss about monitor size, downsized, photos - hard to tell the difference.
When you look at the original size files film wins clearly but you must look at really large prints
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml
Quote: "In every case no one could reliably tell the difference between 13X19" prints shot with the $40,000 Hasselblad and Phase One 39 Megapixel back, and the new $500 Canon G10."
This is the point: we all discuss about monitor size, downsized, photos - hard to tell the difference.
When you look at the original size files film wins clearly but you must look at really large prints
besk
Well-known
Top one is digital. - the rendering looks more "digital" to me.
noimmunity
scratch my niche
The difference between the color rendition of the two shots is remarkable. The lower one looks like Velvia.
noimmunity
scratch my niche
Some extraordinary landscape photography on your flickr stream!
Steve Ash
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I like the second image a little bit better. But I think that is more related to difference in lighting. Quality wise the second image seems to be a little bit sharper. I can only guess which one is analog or digital. I go for the second one to done with the M9.
Regards
Steve
Regards
Steve
pevelg
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I vote second one is the Velvia 50, MF. Just reminds me of my own Velvia shots. However, that first one is pretty darn close in rendition and is very nice.
Kolame
Established
Funny to watch you discussion, as in another (german) forum, C_R already unveiled the "quiz".
Neare
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I picked out the first as the scan before even reading the comments. IMO It's quite easy to tell by looking at the nature of the light. Look at the colour, if you look at the lower region of the photograph of the digital you can see that for one it is quite stark on separating out the colour channels and lacks that natural colour cast.
Just imagine if you were standing at that same place, just ask yourself which shot looks more 'real'?
The first shot clearly.
Just imagine if you were standing at that same place, just ask yourself which shot looks more 'real'?
The first shot clearly.
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FrankS
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The issues are that the film shot was scanned, and that we are looking at them on computer monitors. If the final output is web-viewing, both cameras are over-kill. IMO
noimmunity
scratch my niche
Just imagine if you were standing at that same place, just ask yourself which shot looks more 'real'?
When I use Velvia, it never looks "real" (though I've never found that a really meaningful or useful category for viewing photography).
This was shot on Velvia 50 with a ZM 21/4,5
Fire on the mountain

64700013 by areality4all, on Flickr
C_R
Established
Great shot ! Nice light and lines.
I tried to re-scan the fff Scan RAW file so that it matched my impression of the scene. And then, thereafter the M9 file was tailored with help of Capture One Pro 6.0 to match the analog picture. I was just curious what differences then still remain (of course, the small monitor view is another issue)
I tried to re-scan the fff Scan RAW file so that it matched my impression of the scene. And then, thereafter the M9 file was tailored with help of Capture One Pro 6.0 to match the analog picture. I was just curious what differences then still remain (of course, the small monitor view is another issue)
noimmunity
scratch my niche
Thanks. Kept kicking myself for not having brought a tripod!
Neare
Well-known
When I use Velvia, it never looks "real" (though I've never found that a really meaningful or useful category for viewing photography).
Perhaps.. But are you saying you've done no post on that shot whatsoever? I rarely shoot slide, but when I do use velvia it comes out contrasty and saturated for sure but I find the colours to always be true to their origin.
valdas
Veteran
It would help if you would clone out the sensor spot that is just right of center, but still in the dark cloud, and just down from the top of the frame. A dirty sensor is a dead give away for a dit cam.
and in the left top corner two spots as well... so no doubts that #2 is from M9
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noimmunity
scratch my niche
But are you saying you've done no post on that shot whatsoever?
No processing of any kind on that photo (beyond E6, that is).
mathomas
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Guess what is what: M9 and Elmarit 28 Asph., conversion with Capture One Pro 6.0 and the other is Fujica GSW690III with Velvia 50, scanned with a Hasselblad-Imacon X1 @3200 dpi
I hope the bottom one (#2) is the Fuji, because I have a Fuji and I'll probably never have the M9.
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No. 1 is the scan, No. 2 is from the digital camera.
That's my guess as well.
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