M9-P or Digital MP hasn't been posted yet?

Does anybody knows if Seal has a flickr or something? I'm interested in looking what the man produces with all the neat stuff he owns, you must admit he has taste and style for choosing gear!!
 
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Because I can fire off more shots using advance lever then the motor drive. Because it feels good, people don't ask to see my pictures because they think it is film and finally because it adds to the grip of the camera
 
Maybe not even something as earth shatterting as an M9.2 or an MP-D?

Maybe its just the product of an M9 A La Carte service?
 
This camera looks like it has a convex shutter release button, just like the Titan M9. I have played with a one and this feature was what impressed me the most. The precise feel of the exposure lock was much better than the regular M9. If this is a new M9-P, I bet it has this type of release.
 
We're talking about the M9-P (not MP-D, not M9.2) - it's the standard upgrade that Leica does for their cams - nothing major, some firmware fixes, remove the dot, sapphire glass and it looks just like an MP but it's digital.

M10 won't be released till .. oh.. a while from now 🙂

Dave
 
Whatever Leica does, they should be aware of the fact that sooner or later we're going to have X100 successors or similar cameras that will have interchangeable lenses and adopters for M lenses. In other words if this M9-P is real, it does make marketing sense because it plays on Leica heritage rather than a new sensor or technology, something that Leica can never possibly keep up with.
 
GSNfan said:
Whatever Leica does, they should be aware of the fact that sooner or later we're going to have X100 successors or similar cameras that will have interchangeable lenses and adopters for M lenses. In other words if this M9-P is real, it does make marketing sense because it plays on Leica heritage rather than a new sensor or technology, something that Leica can never possibly keep up with.
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Totally - and ya.. it's real - but you're absolutely right - Leica NEEDS Kodak (currently - or some other sensor producer in the future) in order to keep their digital line "going".

Dave
 
GSNfan said:
Whatever Leica does, they should be aware of the fact that sooner or later we're going to have X100 successors or similar cameras that will have interchangeable lenses and adopters for M lenses. In other words if this M9-P is real, it does make marketing sense because it plays on Leica heritage rather than a new sensor or technology, something that Leica can never possibly keep up with.
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Why are you so sure?

I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm just saying that the demand for a full-frame sensor with a small flange/film distance is sufficiently small that I'd rate its appearance from a competitor as no higher than a possibility -- and not, as you imply, a certainty.

Cheers,

R.
 
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Phil_F_NM said:
Couldn't he just have had Leica stamp him out a bare top plate, chrome plate it, engrave it as they used to and instead of putting the adjustment under the red dot, just putting the cover screw there instead?

This is not a big process either. It would take someone with a decent amount of skill to fill the existing voids in a standard M9 top plate with brass then machine it down, drill it, engrave it and chrome plate it. It's definitely not impossible though. Would be just a few hundred dollars to do the job on an existing M9 plate. Considering Seal's relationship with Leica, he could have just ordered an a la-carte M9.

Phil Forrest
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Dear Phil,

Leica top-plates aren't stamped. They're CNC machined from solid brass. Change the CNC profile...

Cheers,

R.
 
dcsang said:
Totally - and ya.. it's real - but you're absolutely right - Leica NEEDS Kodak (currently - or some other sensor producer in the future) in order to keep their digital line "going".

Dave
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They need Sony, but the problem is that Sony is too big to really care. For example they packed the same sensor that they sold to Nikon and Pentax for their midrange DSLRs (D7000 and K5) into their upcoming dinky p&s Nex-C3. Nikon had to scramble and pack the same sensor in their cheap D5100.

The same FF sensor that Sony might sell to Leica could end up in one of their upcoming FF DSLRs at $1500 (they already have the cheapest FF DSLR at ~$2000). So, Leica went with Kodak more for the reasons of exclusivity rather than practical business sense. Kodak made the sensor for M9 only and that makes it 'exclusive' ignoring the performance.

Roger Hicks said:
Why are you so sure?

I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm just saying that the demand for a full-frame sensor with a small flange/film distance is sufficiently small that I'd rate its appearance from a competitor as no higher than a possibility -- and not, as you imply, a certainty.

Cheers,

R.
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I'm certain because the demand and hype surrounding X100, the fact that people are buying it despite its quirky firmware, not to mention I'm certain because the perception of what a camera should look like has changed and that is a paradigm shift.

A DSLR suddenly looks like a monstrosity in the digital world inhabited by sleek apple products and small form factor. You cannot carry an iphone an ipad and then pull a gigantic DSLR out of the bag and feel the same person... This sort of paradigm shift in perception is a force in its own.

One thing that we can all be certain of is that photography has drastically changed in every sense of the word.
 
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GSNfan said:
I'm certain because the demand and hype surrounding X100, the fact that people are buying it despite its quirky firmware, not to mention I'm certain because the perception of what a camera should look like has changed and that is a paradigm shift.
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Ah... Never mind whether it's technically feasible at an economic price, then? Or even whether there's any actual demand?

WHY would (let us say) Sony be wedded to 24x36mm? Or to Leica mount/register? Sure, you can put a Leica adapter on anything, but it's a lot easier to use (say) an APS-C sensor and a new line of telecentric lenses in a new mount.

Cheers,

R.
 
GSNfan said:
A DSLR suddenly looks like a monstrosity in the digital world inhabited by sleek apple products and small form factor. You cannot carry an iphone an ipad and then pull a gigantic DSLR out of the bag and feel the same person... This sort of paradigm shift in perception is a force in its own.
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Many people think a DSLR is what a camera should look like. Just as many of us want something small and sleek, there are many others who like that their DSLR with a huge zoom feels "very professional."
 
GSNfan said:
The same FF sensor that Sony might sell to Leica could end up in one of their upcoming FF DSLRs at $1500 (they already have the cheapest FF DSLR at ~$2000). So, Leica went with Kodak more for the reasons of exclusivity rather than practical business sense. Kodak made the sensor for M9 only and that makes it 'exclusive' ignoring the performance.
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I've been under the impression that getting a FF DRF is much more complex than simply sticking an FF DSLR sensor into an M body, because (thanks to there being no reflex mirror) flange-to-sensor distance of the M mount is less than that of any FF DSLR, and many M lenses project into the camera body, reducing the lens-to-sensor distance even more.

In other words, the M9 is pretty much in a class by itself, and presents unique engineering challenges for a digital sensor. You have to do special things with microlenses to deal with how the light strikes the edge areas of the sensor at much more oblique angles than it does on a DSLR.

Is there any other full frame 24x36mm digital camera out there that has the same or less lens-to-sensor distance than the M9?
 
It would make sense though, with all the M-mount lenses out there, (considered by many the best in terms of quality), to introduce a cheaper alternative to the M9. Perhaps it's not feasible now in terms of costs - but that would probably change soon. I think it would be pretty popular.

Roger Hicks said:
WHY would (let us say) Sony be wedded to 24x36mm? Or to Leica mount/register?
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GSNfan said:
Whatever Leica does, they should be aware of the fact that sooner or later we're going to have X100 successors or similar cameras that will have interchangeable lenses and adopters for M lenses...
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Those successors would need sensors with microlenses to fit wide M lenses. Besides Kodak, who's making sensors like this to your knowledge?
 
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