M9 sensor discontinued

Larry Cloetta said:
Sigma does seem to have a legitimately different corporate ethos than other companies. In a good way, and in actions not just talk. It’s an interesting company.
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I must admit I care nothing for a companies ethos .
I`t never comes in to the equation as regards whether I buy their products or not .
They`re just companies selling a product with a relatively short shelf life.
You therefore have to decide how much you want to expose yourself financially .

The industry as a whole has never struck me as one which is geared up to fixing things .... replacement or more likely upgrade seems to be the preferred solution rather than devoting additional resources into maintenance and repair .

Moving forward rather than keep looking back is the only way in which a tech company is going to survive in this day and age .....

The M9 saga was rather special and the company clearly made a major ..... and so felt they had to do something .
I think that was a one off and they needed to draw a line under it as soon as was considered reasonable .
 
The industry as a whole has never struck me as one which is geared up to fixing things .... replacement or more likely upgrade seems to be the preferred solution rather than devoting additional resources into maintenance and repair .
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It is this attitude that encourages bad behavior.

Many moons ago, I bought a top-end Canon camera and found there were shutter problems. While on the road, I brought it to a Canon service center and, without asking for my credentials or a bill of sale, they just fixed it, fast and returned the camera to me.
 
Out to Lunch said:
It's not about new models or wear and tear. The Leica M-E was launched late 2012, and as we speak, its failing sensors can no longer be replaced. This sensor did not wear out due to use. It failed, because it was poorly designed and should not have been put in that camera in the first place. Today, Leica gives you the option to upgrade, at a considerable cost, to a later model -with a different sensor. Cheers, OtL
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I was simply making a comment about post #107 !
The fact Leica has discontinued the M10 in favor of the M10 P has nothing to do with the problems of the sensor in the M9 and derivated cameras :)
 
To expect that any manufactured thing is repairable in a cost-effective manner—or at all—forever is an unwarranted expectation. This is just as true regardless of the cost of the camera when new.

The most complex single component of any digital camera is the imaging sensor, and it is the component that has the shortest manufacturing lifespan. This is a fact.

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It has everything to do with the expected repairability timeframe of you M10. If you don't agree with my assessment, or you don't care, it's fine with me either way. Cheers, OtL
 
My Olympus E-1 is long since in the "obsolete and unrepairable" category. Doesn't matter to it, it seems: It just keeps working nicely.

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Godfrey said:
My Olympus E-1 is long since in the "obsolete and unrepairable" category. Doesn't matter to it, it seems: It just keeps working nicely.

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Just last evening I charged some batteries for my Olympus E-PL1 and E-P2. They work very well, and I don't mind their 10MP sensors.
 
raid said:
Just last evening I charged some batteries for my Olympus E-PL1 and E-P2. They work very well, and I don't mind their 10MP sensors.
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:D

Sadly, my E-PL1 (bought for an inconsequential amount of money in beat up shape) suffered an IBIS failure that made it completely unrepairable. No great loss financially, but too bad, it was a nice simple box that I did a lot of photos with, often with a pinhole or a toy camera lens. It was particularly fun to use with the Olympus mFT body-cap lenses.

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I paid $150 for a brand new E-PL1 with Olympus lens from a camera dealer in NY. It was $100 for the camera alone, and this came with the warranty.
It has an IS in the camera, and it sports a 10X focus assist button that makes focusing very easy to do with a non-AF lens. I own 2 AF lenses.
 
I've seen vague statements about the M9 sensor's layer of film, or glass filter (whatever that is) where corrosion happens can be replaced by certain artisans out there somewhere. So that the camera can be fixed without the sensor being replaced.

Rather clueless lead but I will spend some time into it to verify.
 
Out to Lunch said:
It has everything to do with the expected repairability timeframe of you M10. If you don't agree with my assessment, or you don't care, it's fine with me either way. Cheers, OtL
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Of course it is an opportunity to exchange different opinions, it is the strength of a forum! It would be very boring if we all have the same opinion!

You are correct, I feel reasonably sure the repairability of the m10 will be enough for my needs ore desires. In case I'm wrong i still have a film Leica!

Which of course could fail as well...I hope not, crossing fingers LOL

I simply do not expect what I have to be repairable forever, even if it would be ideal :)
 
The key is to use your camera, Robert. Use it well. [same applies to "others", such as myself]
 
Seeing we’re talking about Olympus.... I had an em10 mk2 and it took great pics , never missed a beat, was super cheap, really fun to use and had superb tiny lenses. I could pack an entire kit in a bag that just holds a regular 35mm film slr w one lens!

Replaced it w a PenF which is even better! But the em10 series is an insane value for money. That camera with 17mm 1.8, 25mm 1.8, 45mm 1.8, Panny 12-32 and mini flash was half
the cost of a Leica sensor replacement.
Those Olympus primes are something else.
 
I like their "natural colors" setting for color images. Just great color rendition. I mostly use the Olympus cameras for portraits with old lenses. Today, my E-P2 has on it a Zeiss Planar 50/1.4 while the E-PL1 has the Zeiss 16mm fish-eye lens, which is not much distorted with a 50% crop and careful use.
 
The sensor for M10 has not been made since 2017. It is financially infeasible to get a new sensor for the M10 from some other source.

I hope that my M10 will stay OK for years to come.
 
raid said:
The sensor for M10 has not been made since 2017. It is financially infeasible to get a new sensor for the M10 from some other source.

I hope that my M10 will stay OK for years to come.
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M10? Do you mean M9? The M10 is still in production.
 
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