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Whilst browsing the magazine racks at the local shop this morning I suddenly got to wondering why was there no dedicated film user magazine ?
My local shop stocks magazines on a range of exotic topics from vintage farm tractors (3 magazines) to stationary engines (2 magazines) there are also other diverse subjects such as doll's House's ,commercial buses and various other subjects that would appear to have a small reader base . Yet there does not appear to be one dedicated to film users , Surely with the number of people using various RF and SLR film cameras plus the wide range of medium and large format users about , the market is crying out for such a magazine ?




Paul
 
I can think of three:

"Black & White Magazine" (UK) which is primarily devoted to film rather than digital. The March issue is very good, great pictures and interesting articles. Usually a very high quality level and my favorite of the three.

The second one is Emulsion Magazine (US) which was started only last year. Only two issues so far with a third coming up this spring. Took a long time to arrive and only after a couple of reminders. This one is based on interviews with artists in a "question - answer"-manner while the former is more editorial (?).

The third one being Lenswork, (US) also based on interviews with artist but in a more philosophical way with almost no articles on technique. The editor usually occupies a couple of pages in every issue with philosophical ramblings about photography. This is the best one printwise, thick cover paper and nice inner pages. Of the other two, Emulsion is better printed than B&W but both my issues of Emulsion had broken backs and pages due to poor packaging 🙁

I think there are a couple of large format publications too but I haven't read any of them and I have no webpage links either. I realize that all magazines I have mentioned are devoted to black and white only but I know of no colour film magazines.
 
I get Black and White magazine , mainly for the printers arts articles , But what I would really like to see is a vintage film camera magazine .
One with articles and tests of film cameras and film , with sections on the darkroom and a beginners section offering hints and advice on what camera to buy , The benefits or not of using an RF , SLR or Medium format camera . Basically what I want is a good old fashioned photography magazine aimed at film users .

Obviously there would be some digital articles , mainly dealing with scanning and post process work for those that prefer not to wet print , surely there is a market for such a magazine ?



Paul
 
Over the last year, I've heard of two new films: Fuji Velvia 50 II and Provia 400X, none of them available in Europe yet from what I know. I've seen only one new b/w paper being presented, the Fomatone 532 (which is just a whiter version of Fomatone Chamois). Since Nikon presented the F6 in late 2004 I haven't heard of any pro- or prosumer level film SLR. (Sorry, I forgot the Zeiss Ikon)

During a very short period of time Agfa went broke and shut down their factories, Kodak pulled out of b/w paper and chemistry and now recently, Forte was forced to shut down too. Ilford bit the dust as well but was fortunately able to reconstruct. Fuji, Efke and Foma are still up and running but for how long?

Given these rather recent events, do you actually think there is a market for such a magazine? As much as I'd love to see one I doubt we'll ever do. I don't mean to be overly dramatic and negative but I seriously doubt it. For film tests and darkroom articles, check out APUG. For photos, there are several sites.
 
Easy one.

Magazines exist to sell ads. There are lots of digital mags because there are lots of digital cameras to sell but not all that many film cameras. Those that do exist are geared more toward the fine arts crowd. (Which I like as it's refreshingly free of gear talk... : )

The Internets are better anyway. Who needs magazines when I can Google "Yashica Rangefinder" and find pages of hits, with an entire website devoted to them that contains detailed information - pages and pages of content, about a camera from a (sadly) defunct company that hasn't been in production in 20 years? I can come here and participate in a fairly active interactive blog of fellow users of a 20 year old rangefinder and shoot the s--t with them. What magazine can compete with that? And its all free.
 
There is a great new magazine dedicated to the act of photography and very little on gear or otherwise (although does feature user articles from JPG and flickr users regarding their favorite bag, lens, or vintage camera)

JPG Magazine .... its a little of everything, digital, alot of film and whatever readers devote to the magazine ( a great way to get published)

http://jpgmag.com/ ...

Its my new favorite photography magazine
 
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re:Emilgil - Well, let's be realistic - how many films were introduced in say, 1986? There wasn't a dearth of film publications then, surely? I still have a roll of Kodak film from a fall promotion, advertising a new emulsion for a line of Kodak professional films, which implies someone at Kodak thinks there is enough money left in the professional photography market to recoup their investment.

I would say that a major reason there is a lack of film-only magazines is the advertising dollars thrown about by the digital SLR industry is silly. It's very easy to budget a PopPhoto-type magazine based on what you can expect from Canon/Nikon/Pentax/etc. concerning their digital disposables, but probably a bit harder sell for a film-only rag. Consider that PopPhoto is at least technically digital and film, whereas a film-only pub would be limiting the market to a subset (not that I have any delusions PopPhoto editors would even recognize a negative anymore 🙂 ). Advertising dollars are based on market, and limiting your market means less dollars, so no major publisher is likely to get behind such an endeavor unless the existing film publications start showing enviable growth.

IMHO, the issue isn't that nobody uses film, or that nobody is interested in film, but rather that the big advertising dollars are coming from the companies that have decided they can make more money selling people new DSLR bodies every two to three years. And money makes the world go 'round.

I do agree it is rather odd I can find more than one publication dedicated to special effects make-up, but there are actually several mostly-film magazines around. B&W is pretty good, Aperture is not bad for pictures, and I know there were a few more the last time I looked in a bookstore None have exactly what you are looking for, but then, who is really going to pay a magazine to host a favorable review of a Contax II? Or a Fed 3? Those reviews typically came from the manufacturer eager to get their products in print.

You can always start one yourself 🙂
 
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EmilGil - you seem quite gloom and doom. I refuse to shoot digital. Hate the damned things. And I'm not some Luddite who doesn't know from a computer. I taught college courses in Photoshop and digital imaging. I don't see myself ever owning a higher-end digital above the point and shoot I already own. I don't care how much they improve or how much their prices drop.

I mention this because, statistically, I represent "a market". I am a digital back to film convert. I know what digital has to offer and once the novelty wore off of "seeing what you just shot", I went back to good ole film. I will never be swayed by digital. I believe there will be enough "you couldn't give me one of those damned digitals" (and you couldn't) people around to support the continued production of film for as far as the eye can see. I'm certain there are millions of "Me's" worldwide who feel the same way. ...who would rather not shoot at all than shoot with some plastic, personality-less, soulless piece of overpriced junk stamped out like widgets by some consumer electronics company. The digital workflow sucks (at least for me as a consumer), I want my camera to be less dependent on batteries - not more, and certainly not dependent on a computer or software. Bleh! The images they produce are as soulless as their ergonomic disasters of a body. The biggest difference between digital and film? The former (digital) is boring, a chore not much different, ultimately, than using an Excel spreadsheet, the other (film) is a true craft - creative and fun. Oops, starting to rant. (Starting?)

But one must accept a minority status and expect market consolidation. We are transitioning from "consumer market" to "niche market" and there will be a bloodbath and painful decisions. But whether it's a "consumer market" or a "niche market" is of no concern to me. Both preclude production to fill the need be it volume consumer or small niche. If only Fuji is the last man standing, though Acros isn't my first choice, Acros it will be. There are not that many new cameras coming out because there are boat-loads of perfectly fine used ones - thousands(?)(!) sold daily on eBay. Between digital and the huge used market, it's actually a testimonial that there are dedicated manufacturers (Cosina) and they're being produced at all.

When producers of dramatic (not garbage reality tv) TV shows have any kind of budget, what do they shoot with? Fil-um. Even though the could cut costs dramatically with digital. If digital filmmakers actually have a budget, what do they shoot with? What do they secretly lust after? Fil-um. This, in 2007, well into the digital era - now certainly a mature technology. What do digital try and try to do? Match film. Digital is a film "wannabe". Film is evocative, dramatic. When reality is "pixelized" it loses its soul in the process. Not so with the chemical process - the film process, which in many cases enhances it.

Perhaps the soul of an image is in the highlight detail that digital just lops off with glaring white hotspots.

For now, when I drop off a roll of color in one of five nearby C-41 process places (three camera chains that do processing and two drug stores), I look at the alpabetized boxes - all loaded up with film. No, not "jammed" like the pre-digital days but still plenty full, even "Z". In fact, informally, I see more people dropping film off than at the digital kiosk.

But you want to know what's really helping to keep film thriving?

The $10.00 disposable FILM camera.
 
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It would have to be a pretty expensive magazine since there wouldn't be too much ad revenue coming in if all it talked about was out-of-production cameras.

I'm sure there would be a pretty big readerbase. I hope film isn't going anywhere soon, there are at least a few companies supporting it (is C/V the only one left building new film bodies?)
 
First of all, I'd like to point out that I myself shoot film, always have preferred film and I'm looking to continue to do so. The digital uprising in combination with me getting a proper job gave me the possibility to purchase equipment that I only dreamed of a few years ago - be it my Leica or my Hasselblad. I've used digital equipment, it's unbeatable for soulless quick shots straight into newspapers with short deadlines. But I keep returning to film for my private photography, time after time, for many of the reasons you state above.

I still enjoy preparing a darkroom for a session, measuring chemicals, checking temperatures and finally, shutting off the lights and start printing. I get comments every time I talk about my hobby - "Why don't you go digital?". I don't want to go digital, you go take your yoga class and I'll spend an afternoon in the darkroom. I'm working hard to get access to a darkroom, the photo club is 95% digital now. The new chairman has fortunately decided to put focus on the image, not the hardware, and I'm really looking forward to that. In fact, several other members have asked me to give a darkroom class!

In Sweden, where I was born and lived for 25 years, the level of computerization is extremely high compared to many other countries. People are expected to do more and more by means of computers and internet, from ticket booking to tax assessments. As the prices have fallen on digital cameras, more and more people have taken to them since they already have the computers. The main photo magazines and internet fora are 98% digital by now but a small minority still stand strong, being bashed upon by those who claim digital is perfect in every way. The giants in the digital camera business keep pushing out new models again and again and many people fall for their tricks. But do their pictures get better? Seldom...

Norway is even worse, being one of the richest countries in the world. I live in Bergen (second city in Norway) and although there are numerous photo stores, there are very few where you can ask a question and get a decent answer about anything not related to megapixels and noise. I don't think there are more than two stores selling b/w film and only one of them sells chemistry. If I put a 120-format slide film on the counter in any of the numerous photo booths, I get a strange face and comments like "what is THAT?". If I can convince them to send it for development, they'll set me back €12. Everything is digital here, it's megapixels all over.

My conclusion is that I think we have to prepare for the demise of more companies in the traditional photographic business but I don't think they'll all go. Film is not dead but it has been marginalized. Fortunately, there are lots of people like you and me still enjoying film who'll be able to support at least a few manufacturers for a long time to come.

A long post but hopefully you'll realize that we're on the same side in the fight for the survival of our beloved film. Maybe I was slightly too harsh in my previous post but no point in lying.
 
Interesting stuff , But my main thought in starting this thread was why , considering the number of film users out there , Be they RF,SLR or medium/large format photographers there isn't a dedicated magazine . I can buy any number of magazines on vintage tractors , vintage commercial trucks or Doll's houses even a magazine dedicated to Cigar smoking 😱

Considering the number of photography magazines who must have copyright on original articles regarding film and mechanical cameras I just wondered why film is being ignored , Or is it just a case that film is so marginalised that no publisher feels it worthwhile ?



Paul
 
Hi All & Screwy,

>>I get Black and White magazine , mainly for the printers arts articles , But what I would really like to see is a vintage film camera magazine .

I'd like to get B & W Magazine, if the airmail cost is not prohibitive.
Please send Online subscription Link.

Thanks,
mike
 
Well, folks, it's not that bad in magazine-land:

Photographer's Forum and Camera Arts certainly still do their bit to offer serious discourse and tasty portfolios of known and lesser-known/unknown photographers, while mostly steering clear of heavy-breathing hardware pushing. Both are inclusive of digital, of course, but are hardly amnesiacs regarding silver-capture. Worth a look, IMO.


- Barrett
 
Screwy, I know, I subscribed to a British magazine called 'Classic Bike' for twenty years. Every year I thought this will be their last, but you know it got better and better. There where 100s maybe even 1000s of small and big ads from all over the world in that magazine. I just wish there was more film, developing, printing scanning, and digital workflow on this forum, and it is still the best.
 
I just have to say, to those who think film is "marginalized." I recently traveled the breadth of the USA, from north to south, MN to TX, and everywhere I stopped for gas, there was film for sale. Every drugstore advertised one hour developing service. Every drug store and grocery store had many choices for C41, both color and black and white, from 100 to 800, in 12, 24, and 36ex., as well as disposable cameras. That's really not what I'd call "marginalized." Quite the opposite.

Now, when I have a problem buying film at the corner store, I'll start to think maybe it is disappearing, but from what I see, film is disappearing like gum and candy bars are disappearing.
 
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