Man, I need a 35mm lens

Mark Eggers

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Hello all,

I was out shooting yesterday at a function for my daughter's school. I only have a 50 chron. I was finding that this thing is too long. That is weird, I hardly ever shoot with wides on my DSLR's. I usually use a zoom or a 50 which is 75mm equivilant on my Nikons.

I don't quite know how to explain it, everytime I turned around I was too close with the 50.

I have been looking on ebay and the 35mm lenses all seem to be going for high $$$. Can you all let me know what I should expect to pay for a used 35 and I would like to know the differance in the versions 3..4.. etc.

Thanks, Mark
 
My lower cost solution is a 40mm Rokkor M. Not quite as wide, but a whole lot more affordable and still f2.

Other low cost solutions are the 35mm f2.8 Jupiter 12, and the CV35mm f2.5.
 
Mark Eggers said:
I would like to know the differance in the versions 3..4.. etc.

Thanks, Mark

Another alternative in your search is the Zeiss ZM 50/2 which I bought used from Kyle for a price comparable to that of a used 50/2 Summicron.

In regard to your question, the first four versions of Leica's 35/2 lens are all based on the symmerical 6-element double-gauss design although two of them have extra elements. The dates & number of elements are as follows:

1958 - 8 elements
1969 - 6 elements
1971 - 6 elements
1979 - 7 elements

In 1997, Leica abandoned the double-gauss design & introduced a 35/2 lens based on new design principles & using aspherical glass. According to Erwin Puts, the double-gauss design is limited by field curvature & oblique spherical aberration. The new design was employed to improve the lens in these areas.

Puts has tested all four of the earlier versions of the lens. Here are some of his comments:

1958 - Relatively large front & rear elements to reduce vignetting although some vignetting at f/2 & f/2.8. At full aperture overall contrast is low & coarse detail soft at the edgesalthough fine detail visible in the center but becomes blurred away from center & into the corners. Contrast improves markedly at f/2.8 although this is still a lower contrast lens. By f/5.6 fine detail is crisply defined until the corners, which stay very soft. There is a pronounced tendency to flare at wider apertures due to the presence of coma. Close-up performance is fair & requires that the lens be stopped down for good imagery at this distance. Distortion is negligible. The lens is very compact.

1969 - Very short lens - an economical version of its 8-element predecessor. At full aperture overall conrast is medium, higher than the previous version. Unlike the previous version, it never achieves crisp definition of fine detail outside the center. At close distances this lens has really high performance especially shen stopped down. Flare tendency at wide apertures.

1971 - Improvement in overall contrast from the previous version specifically in the center. However, this drops significantly in the center & is below that of the previous version. Flare is reduced & vignetting is lower. Overall the differences between this lens & the prvious version are small. The construction introduces a small air space in the rear group where the previous version was cemented. It is a few millimeters longer than the previous version.

1979 - Medium contrast & much improved quality at full aperture specifically outside the center as field curvature is corrected to a higher degree. Overall contrast is medium, higher than in the previous version, but the corners are still very soft Flare is limited to the outer zones. Fine detail at f/2 is recorded with soft edges, becoming quite fuzzy in theouter zones. At f/2.8 fine detail becomes quite crisp in a wide central area, abruptly becoming very soft in the corners. Begnning at f/4 very fine detail is visible except in the corners & becomes increasingly sharp as the lens is stopped down. some vignetting. This is the "bokeh king" (which has increased demand & buoyed the price). Compact & an excellent design compared to its predecessors.
 
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Summicron C

Summicron C

Hello:

The Canon 35mms are considered excellent. My f2.8 is equivalent to or better than a Summaron. If you want f2 in Leitz the 40mm Summicron C is a bargin.

yours
Frank
 
Just like the Hexanon lenses, the word is out on the rokkor/leitz summi-c 40, so they aint cheap no more.. I think the deal to beat now on 35 and close to 35mm lenses now is the VC Skopar 35/2.5 'classic', which is sold with a R body for 399 dollars by the two usa dealers of Voightlander.. So there seem to be some shucked for sale around.
THere's a 35 skopar now in the classifieds for 200 right now.
 
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Mark Eggers said:
Peter,

The closest is .7 meters.


Mark
Then you will want a 35 that goes to 0.7M as well. The CV 35/1.7 Ultron is a great little lens but it only goes down to 0.9M. I would filter your choices by the closest focusing distance because if you are frustrated with a 0.7M 50mm you will be frustrated with a 0.9M 35mm. I have a 0.7M 35mm and I don't use my two other 35's any more.
 
I was in the exact same postion! I got frustrated trying to find a good deal on a used Summicron and considered the Zeiss 35 but I don't like the 1/3 stop clicks on the aperature ring, and felt it is too much money for my "second choice" lens.
So I got the Voigtlander Ultron 35 which is a fantastic lens. I do agree that it doesn't focus quite as close as I would like but at least I've got a good quality, inexpensive lens until that Summicron comes along at the right price!
 
35mm

35mm

which 50 do you have? i have a 35mm asph 'cron f2 that i have been trying to trade for a quick 50mm. it's silver and flawless! 1 year old. she ain't cheap but i would be willing to trade for a 50 and what have ya?
good luck with the search in any case.
 
peter_n said:
Then you will want a 35 that goes to 0.7M as well. The CV 35/1.7 Ultron is a great little lens but it only goes down to 0.9M. I would filter your choices by the closest focusing distance because if you are frustrated with a 0.7M 50mm you will be frustrated with a 0.9M 35mm. I have a 0.7M 35mm and I don't use my two other 35's any more.

Peter,

Lack of focus distance is not the problem. FOV is the main thing.

Thanks, Mark
 
emraphoto said:
which 50 do you have? i have a 35mm asph 'cron f2 that i have been trying to trade for a quick 50mm. it's silver and flawless! 1 year old. she ain't cheap but i would be willing to trade for a 50 and what have ya?
good luck with the search in any case.

I have a New Old Stock Silver one Item # 11825 I am not sure what year it was produced but it looks like it was made about the same time as the M6 clasic according to the little catalog that came in the box. It does have an external lens hood and a thumb lever for focusing.


Thanks,

Mark
 
Personally, I think if you want a 35mm get a 35mm and not a 40. I bought a 40 because I couldn't afford the 35 and ended up paying too much for the 40 and then selling it at a loss and buying the 35 anyway. The 40 had that nice Leica look but I couldn't live with the focal length, too in between for me.

You might want to look at the 35mm Summaron as lots of people like this and they are almost as fast as a cron and cheaper. Many say they like the look better.

The VC lenses are more contrasty. I have the 28mm 3.5 and it's my most used lens but I really like the build of it and the field of view and I only really use my 35mm Summicron when I'm shooting in low light. The 28mm Leica equivalents are a zillion times as much money rather than just 2 or 3 times as much like the 35's.

Get a Summaron or save up for a Cron, maybe get a Jupiter to tide you over.
 
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