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These are all really good suggestions. Jeez, I want them all! :D
I'm not looking to go too over the top for professional gear, I do have my Pentax 67 with a whole collection of wonderful glass. I'm sort of leaning towards 6x6 just to force myself to think about composition a little differently.

Cheers,

Russ Pinchbeck
 
I've been considering a folder for some time now, but it'd be a nasty old one for DIY repair. I prefer square format because it's a different approach from the rectangle that I'm used to with 35mm anyway. A Bessa 66 seems perfect to me: very portable, good optics and all the charm of an old camera.

Does anybody have a link on repair of this type of camera ?


Peter.
 
for a really small and in your jacket pocket, 6x6cm folder get a Voigtlander Perkeo II, good glass, small package, good workmanship. Be sure to have it checked before you buy unless you know the vendor and they are reputable. I had a shot of mine but I'm on a "delete"/Purge mode and ditched it last nite. LoL! Always the way...

I've got a shot of a Perkeo I and a Perkeo II here....
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=27180&cat=4983
 
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I'll second the Voigtlander Perkeo II it has a f3.5 Color Skopar Lens and takes nice, sharp, contrasty shots in 6x6 format. Major plus is it's size. It must be one of, if not the, smallest 6x6 folder ever made.

You can see some shots I took with mine here
 
You could also try the Bessa 66 ( as mentioned by PeterL) these, in my experience are more prone to dodgy shutters, but if you can find a good one the old Skopar 75mm f3.5 lens is surprisingly good! If you want to see some pics taken with my Bessa 66 then please click here (You'll notice some vignetting from the moment filter when shot wide open)
 
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I would also look at a Zeiss Super Ikonta 531 post war model if you can find one at a reasonable price. They are very compact, RF coupled and have good glass. What they look like and what they can do.

Nikon Bob
 
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Fujis are cool (including the AF model), but I'll be a real jerk and say that I'm spoiled by what a Makina 67 can do, and still fold flat enough to fit in a (somewhat roomy) coat pocket. It's the one folding MF RF i'd almost kill to have. Almost. ;)


- Barrett
 
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Hi,
If you do a little search, you can fimd my posts on Voigtlander Bessa folders. There photos of cameras and pictures they take. I'm actually surprized that nobody said anything about Bessa 6x9. It's THE folder I think. Superb built. Superb optics. Has a COUPLED to the lens rangefinder. Very portable when folded. Gives you a large negative/frame. You really have to handle one to appreciate it. Even left - handed shutter release if very comfortable.
If you, or anyone interested - I have 2 of those - both in a very good shape, and will consider selling one to a good home. Let me know if anyone is interested.
George

PS. Iskra, as some others said - is a good choice - IF you can find one in prfect shape - it's a good camera when it works, but even than it's a bit quirky. Optics are very good though. From my experience - I'd stick to good german folder - Voigtlander or Zeiss.
 

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Bessas (the folders, not today's cameras) are great cameras - they are also cult items. Cost the world. Sadly. Same with the Super Ikontas to a slightly lesser extent.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Esoteric would be a better choice of words than cult items. I think of LOMOs and Holgas when I think of cult cameras.

Prices are at a premium for those with coupled range-finders, automat film winding, a top of the line shutter and best of the lot lenses. There aren't enough of these high-end folders to go around. Zeiss Ikon probably sold 20 Nettars for every Super Ikonta. It's a supply and demand phenomenon.

The pig in the poke is that most "surviving", high-end folders which are for sale today need a full CLA and some unfortunately are better left to a display shelf.

A high-end folder is great for someone who needs their medium format photography in a to go cup - but it will cost you.

TLR's are a better value, period. When the Japanese introduced Automat twin lens reflex cameras for 1/2 the cost of a similar high-end folder, folders stop selling. Add to this mix the fact SLR medium format photography is even better with regards to versatility.

I look a medium format photography is an acquired taste in a world driven by convenience at the expense of quality. I can see how some view it as a cult following, given the excellent quality of high end digital SLR's which closed the quality gap that existed between 35mm film photography and medium format.
 
""The pig in the poke is that most "surviving", high-end folders which are for sale today need a full CLA and some unfortunately are better left to a display shelf."""


It's true, yet some folder cameras are well worth having it CLA'd. Those top quality ones are great to begin with if it was not abused - it's not that much work if any to CLA. Lower quality folders however often do need a more serious CLA due to inferior parts/materials being used and are better left for display. If you do research on the net - it's not difficult which ones are much better than others. But for some you will need to pay premium price, which , if you will use it - may be well worth the investment.
As far as TLRs go - they are a great value and quality cameras - I use my TLRs more often than folders. But you don't have 6x9 frames and they have very difficult time fitting in a pocket. :p .

George
 
Krosya said:
""The pig in the poke is that most "surviving", high-end folders which are for sale today need a full CLA and some unfortunately are better left to a display shelf."""


It's true, yet some folder cameras are well worth having it CLA'd. Those top quality ones are great to begin with if it was not abused - it's not that much work if any to CLA. Lower quality folders however often do need a more serious CLA due to inferior parts/materials being used and are better left for display. If you do research on the net - it's not difficult which ones are much better than others. But for some you will need to pay premium price, which , if you will use it - may be well worth the investment.
As far as TLRs go - they are a great value and quality cameras - I use my TLRs more often than folders. But you don't have 6x9 frames and they have very difficult time fitting in a pocket. :p .

George

Yeah, I can see your point, George. I had to look around to find a Yashica Mat in decent condition that only needed a minor CLA...it becomes a sort of "price point" issue if they have their common film lever advance mechanism problems, costing more than $100 clams to fix. In that case, it's probably not worth the CLA, and possibly better off going with one that may have small problems, but not the film-advance problem. I emailed extensively, asking questions beforehand, when bidding on that auction site for one. Finally found one where the seller guaranteed that the film advance was working smoothly, so I bit the bullet. I am happy that I did, as the Yashica occupies a good portion of my overall photography time.

On the other hand, my recent purchase of the Agfa Isolette was probably a "premium" price, pushing the $200 mark. However, I knew what I wanted -- the Solinar lens and a recent CLA, and a camera that was "ready to roll".

I ended buying direct from Jurgen Kreckel, whom I regard as a reliable repairman with a great love for the work he does. The lens was polished, the rangefinder was adjusted and matched to the lens collimation, the bellows was replaced, the Synchro/Compur shutter was cleaned and tested, the viewfinder was cleaned, and all grease was cleaned and replaced. To me, that means a lot, and I was willing to pay the piper. I am already finding myself using the heck out of this beauty that I've had for a month. I've run about 12 rolls (!) through already, and have a good number of keepers. Can't wait to take this compact and relatively lightweight medium format camera into the backcountry on off-trail trips this summer! Convenience, coupled with the big transparency, should be de rigeur for sure!

I generally shoot without a meter, and have good luck with the Sunny16 formulas. However the rain forests where I live are such a challenge for light values, that I ordered a VC Meter II from Stephen Gandy. This will help me to get a couple of exposures when the light is strongly contrasted, and I should be able to narrow down the two exposures enough to combine them and do some selective masking to get a decent final output. The VC meter will probably come in handy on the Yashica Mat as well, so we'll see.
 
Interesting to hear that Yashicas have those problems. I have 2 124 Mats and both work beautifully. One in almost new condition, and other - looks a bit ugly, with all kinds of scratches and marks on taking lens, yet stilll delivers very good results - go figure. I like it enough to sell the better one. But I never had any mechanical problems with them.

Anyway - I'd like to see some of your photos taken with your new folder and /or Yashica.

George
 
Thanks,
Very nice images. I loved shots from Yashica Mat, but the ones from your folder look very good as well. Hope to see more soon.
George
 
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Thanks,
Very nice images. I loved shots from Yashica Mat, but the ones from your folder look very good as well. Hope to see more soon.
George

George, you asked, so you (and anyone else of this captive audience :) ) shall receive. Whether you like it or not! Hahaha!

Anyway, my laughing spell is over.

Here's a scan from five minutes ago from the old Agfa Isolette. Haven't tweaked it much, other than having to DESATURATE the green and yellow spectrum about 20 points each. The trouble with shooting in the forests here this time of year is that the foliage is saturated to the max on misty days such as this was. If you are so inclined, I would be happy to show you the "normal" unsaturated shot...but it's almost like neon (in person, and on film both).

Oh, besides the de-sat to bring the garish colors down, I also applied Unsharp Mask at 60/1/0.

When I get the time, I think I can make this into a better-tweaked image, but even in this fairly "raw" state (with the crappy jpeg compression and web resizing) you can at least see that the Agfa is a serious contender in the 6x6 folder lineup. Solinar lens is spot on.

I set the transparency on the light box, flipped the switched and staggered backward onto the treadmill I never use. Nearly dropped my cup of tea. Holy Mother of Velvia...the thing was alive! :eek:

Quinault Valley Rain Forest
Agfa Isolette with Solinar lens
Velvia
f:8 @ 1 second
Bracketed for "normal" and "over". This was the "over".

Postscript: You know what? Screw it...here's the unmolested "raw" scan. Put on your sunglasses, but this is straight from the trannie.
 

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bmattock said:
Bessas (the folders, not today's cameras) are great cameras - they are also cult items. Cost the world. Sadly. Same with the Super Ikontas to a slightly lesser extent.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

The original Bessas the Krosya mentioned can be had for relatively cheap, unless it is listed as having a Heliar in which case it is usually priced high...the newer chrome Bessa and Bessa II are the ones that more often than not priced ridiculously high. I love my Bessa rf. It is the smallest folder I have and in many ways I find it perferable to even my Fuji folder, unless I want the huge viewfinder and modern lens i take the bessa with me...

Here is a shot that shows a size comparisonof the FujiGs645, Iskra, and Bessa RF...
 

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The original Bessas the Krosya mentioned can be had for relatively cheap, unless it is listed as having a Heliar in which case it is usually priced high...the newer chrome Bessa and Bessa II are the ones that more often than not priced ridiculously high. I love my Bessa rf. It is the smallest folder I have and in many ways I find it perferable to even my Fuji folder, unless I want the huge viewfinder and modern lens i take the bessa with me...

Here is a shot that shows a size comparisonof the FujiGs645, Iskra, and Bessa RF...

An eclectic and beautiful mix of old and new, with an international cast of cameras. That Bessa looks particularly nice. Thanks for showing!
 
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