p.giannakis
Pan Giannakis
Canon obviously think they're onto something...
Sell it for £9k and I will buy it!
Mic Drop Moment: M10-D with thumb lever
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Sell it for £9k and I will buy it!
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
Not wishing to throw the cat among the pigeons, (though this is doing just that), but Jono Slack has a few measured thoughts on this camera after using one:
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290817-jono-slack-all-about-the-leica-m10-d/
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290817-jono-slack-all-about-the-leica-m10-d/
ptpdprinter
Veteran
You could easily guess that an administrator of the Leica Forum would find the fake wind lever "affectionately humorous", no? I read another review referring to the fake wind lever as "charming". Charming? Kind of says it all.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
What I really find funny is how the same Leica haters always show up and just keep kicking the dead horse. ha ha. Don't like it don't buy it but if a fake wind thumb rest gets your panties in a bunch then there a few more issues in your real life you might need to address. Buy the M 10 instead. If you like a true rangefinder you will not be disappointed.
chrishayton
Well-known
Not really, the camera still a mechanical shutter and recocks with a small motor.
There are cameras that have electronic shutters but the M10 primary shutter function is still mechanical.
p.giannakis
Pan Giannakis
I am not sure how not liking a product implies that there are issues in your real life that needs addressing but anyway. Any film Leica M is a dream camera for me (I have a IIc) so I'm not a Leica hater either. But I can't help feeling that Leica does sell nostalgia to users. I predict that the next M11 will also have a film rewind button that does exactly what the film advance level does.
Don't like it, don't buy it? Sure, I agree. I am also pretty sure that big camera companies would like to know why people would not want to buy the camera too.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
I buy and own Leica M because I prefer a true very basic rangefinder and there are many like me out there. So my question is why don't the bigger makers make cameras more in line with my thinking? I think as with any business sales will drive their decisions not comments on a forum buy people that already don't like their product. I've already said I will be buying another M 10 (for work) by the end of the year and not this camera but it doesn't mean there aren't those out there that will buy this camera. And if it keeps the bottom line strong then Leica M will remain a real alternative to the cameras that all function pretty much the same only in different packages.
If someone is getting upset over a thumb rest and go on and on about it on a camera they were not going to buy anyway then there must be something more there, right? Why the constant bashing? If it is a mistake the bottom line will show that it is. I am waiting to see what the new MM is going to look like. I hope they remove the thumb rest but it is not a deal breaker for me. If the camera has the function of the M 10 with better low light capabilities then it will be a gem thumb rest or not. But either way I'm sure there is going to be plenty of Leica hate in forum land.
If someone is getting upset over a thumb rest and go on and on about it on a camera they were not going to buy anyway then there must be something more there, right? Why the constant bashing? If it is a mistake the bottom line will show that it is. I am waiting to see what the new MM is going to look like. I hope they remove the thumb rest but it is not a deal breaker for me. If the camera has the function of the M 10 with better low light capabilities then it will be a gem thumb rest or not. But either way I'm sure there is going to be plenty of Leica hate in forum land.
Strangefinder
Member
if i would have the money
i would not hesitate a second.
i would not hesitate a second.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
For the record, I am not a Leica hater. I think the M10, while not current technically, is a fine camera and have said so. The M10-P is a nice, but unessential update, certainly not worth paying extra for. The M10-D is also a fine camera. I don't have any problem with a lack of a rear LCD. I don't use the one on the back of my camera except for menu settings, so I don't think any criticism of that feature is warranted. Nice to have a choice. It is understandably more expensive than the M10 because it will be made in smaller numbers. The M10 series are the only true digital rangefinder cameras currently available new, so if you like using a rangefinder they are your only option. End of story. That being said, I think the fake wind lever is dumb, really dumb, and deserves to be mocked. I also think that having one tech for the North American market is a big failure. It says that Leica really doesn't care about its North American customers. They'll put up with anything.
Fraser
Well-known
Nikon and Canon finished making interchangeable Lens RF cameras in the early 60s I'm pretty sure if there was any money in it they would still be making them. I wouldn't call a digital M a basic camera even the m10d is packed full of electronics, just because it doesn't have an lcd screen. As for 'Digital body analogue soul' that is the most cheesiest pretentious rubbish I've ever heard.
'Digital phone analogue soul'
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robert blu
quiet photographer
Considering the money involved to develop and make a new version of the camera I believe Leica made an appropriate marketing research before taking a decision about the thumbs up/film advance lever.
robert
PS: I do not like it but for me it's not a first world problem 🙂
Guth
Appreciative User
Well I can understand why someone would refer to this as a toy, even if it is more than capable of creating wonderful images. I feel that there is a notable difference between a company honoring it's heritage and a company milking it's heritage. This camera, with it's fake lever being passed off as a thumb rest definitely falls into the later category in my mind. Had they simply designed the camera with a functional thumb rest in a pure form that did not try to mimic an advance lever then I would not be participating in this discussion.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
You would think so. Says a lot about their target market. Oh, that looks really cool.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Nikon and Canon finished making interchangeable Lens RF cameras in the early 60s I'm pretty sure if there was any money in it they would still be making them. I wouldn't call a digital M a basic camera even the m10d is packed full of electronics, just because it doesn't have an lcd screen. As for 'Digital body analogue soul' that is the most cheesiest pretentious rubbish I've ever heard.
'Digital phone analogue soul'
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With the success that Leica has been having and the drop in sales with both Nikon and Canon maybe they should rethink methinks. With all the complaints about price with most folks who would buy Leica if it were not as expensive maybe there is a market.
I look down and see the ISO (I am one who really likes the ISO dial, I see the aperture and I see the shutter speed without having to turn the camera on. I don't have to turn anything off to shoot manually, and did I mention the real plus is it is a true rangefinder.
Someone's cheese might be someone else's brie. Sales will tell not forum land. Especially those who don't like digital or would never buy a digital Leica no matter what they do.
Any time someone makes a decision 10% are not going to like that decision. It's a just the way it is. I am not going to buy this camera but I think that many buy add on thumb rests. This is just a thumb rest that doesn't occupy the to shoe and can be but in a position completely out of the way if someone does like the thumb rest. Who cares? Isn't that better for those that do want a thumb rest than having to buy another accessory.
I wish Leica weren't as expensive and I am lucky that photography pays for it all but I would still find a way to own an MM even if it didn't pay for everything.
But the real question is why some feel it their appointed duty to tell Leica how screwed up Leica is for creating cameras that no one else creates and that they would never buy.
I love film and if I still had darkroom I would still be shooting it in some capacity. I also love some digital cameras. The MM is the only B&W digital that I ever warmed up to. I still have the original MM and still love it. But here's my opinion. Film is a great medium and it should be film vs digital but instead a person needs to find what works for them and not worry bout what others use to create with.
Last time I looked Leica still makes film cameras and still supports the old film mechanical technology. Other companies certainly can't say that.
So we need to look beyond our film/digital tribes and understand that it is just different tools. Like it or not digital is here and will be until the next bog thing comes along.
As we were seeing with Leica they were in trouble before they started offering digital. If they hadn't started offering digital they would probably not have survived. I love digital but I also love film and don't see any need to bash either because there are usually real reasons why some chooses the tools they do and that is usually personal.
Again the M 10 and the MM are great cameras. Thank God Leica is around so we have those choices.
rubercoober
Member
I can guarantee you that if they had designed a "functional thumb rest in a pure form that did not try to mimic an advance lever", it still would have gone in the same location (because that makes the most sense) and you'd still have people complaining about it and how it is stupid and pointless and ruins the design. Even better - you'd have people complaining about how they should have just made a lever to function as a thumb rest, because that's something people love about their film Ms.
Monz
Monz
Canon obviously think they're onto something...
I like the brassing on that Canon. 😀
With every Leica release, it's mandatory to post online and share the angst. 🙂
If the thumb grip actually cocked the shutter, the angst would be greater by order of magnitude.
For those who can't abide the lever, would an M10 sans LCD, and sans the offensive thumb support, be acceptable? Or is that also a bridge too far?
If the thumb grip actually cocked the shutter, the angst would be greater by order of magnitude.
For those who can't abide the lever, would an M10 sans LCD, and sans the offensive thumb support, be acceptable? Or is that also a bridge too far?
raid
Dad Photographer
Canon obviously think they're onto something...
Does the belt for the pants come with the camera? How about the pants? Socks? No?
Fraser
Well-known
And is it also mandatory to love everything Leica makes, and if you don't like it keep quiet?😀
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