Mike Johnston on the 50 Planar

Tom thanks for the inclusion in your post - actually i've had a big change around in lenses in the last few weeks due to hard look at things.

I understand your point about Mike's review - i think Nachkebai's comment felt like one had to write as well as one takes photographs for others to take value in a review which i think is just not true.
 
"I have to admit, I still would pay more attention to a 'favorite' lens declaration from Erwitt, Salgado, or Pellogrin ... or our own Beniliam, Nachkebia, Hanz, Tuna, X-ray, Larby etc ... (I am no doubt leaving many talented photogs out, but the list is actually quite full on RFF) ... simply because these photogs are shooters."


Flyfisher Tom,
I spent six years in the Washington press corps and another seven making my living doing portraits, editorial, and advertising, and I have 60,000 Tri-X negatives in my closet. I'm no Erwitt, but it's not exactly like I haven't taken a picture in my life.

...And, personally, I'd like to see some of the fish you've caught before you call yourself that. (s)

--Mike J.
 
The effort at credentialling here, most of it seemingly completely uninformed by any sense of Mike Johnston's background, or even the details of the post that started this thread, is patently absurd.
What is there to object to exactly, that someone posted something online saying that his personal favorite among 50mm lenses at the moment is a Zeiss Planar?
 
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Back in "the day" when Mike was on the LUG we often saw his photos on line. I believe he was even on the Leica MSN Group Hans Phalen started that may still be out there somewhere. He's a great shooter who couldn't stand some of the puffed up blow-hards on the LUG.

He rightly rejected the pseudo scientific commentary of guys like Puts who suck folks into their orbit with just enough science to keep them confused, but not enought to be right.

Best wishes.

Dan

PS...I'll say it again, the Planar IS awesome...
 
The M-Hexanon, which Mike praises in the same piece, is awesome, too, and since I already own it, there is no cause for envy or lust.
 
What I find interesting about Mike's work is that he does not have to share his insights at all. I find an incredible generosity of spirit in those like Mike and Sean who have experience both photographically and in life and choose to make that available to the broader photographic community. No one has to read anyone's blog or review; just as no one has to spend time exchanging views here. BUT life is richer and more interesting for me when I participate in these activities. And, without casting too many aspersions ;-) there are plenty of people who participate here and in other on-line photography forums, because in these "places" we find people as passionate about making photographs and about photography's tools and processes as we are. I mean, honestly, the notion of getting into an an actual argument with another person over a piece of photographic equipment . . . it's pathetic, but I think it's fair to say that anyone reading this implicitly understands the passions involved.

Ben Marks
 
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He has posted new topic "Great 50mm lenses" if anyone understands relation between this and planar 50/2 topic please explain (he posted very nice photos) :D
 
This is utterly ridiculous.

Yes, if he was talking about the 'decobobulation of the microcontrast' being essential in infusing his images with a soul not found in Leica images I would expetc the cry, "show us amazing pics to back up the gushing". He did not. He said it has little distortion, even resolution across frame etc. These are simple qualities which every test of the blinking things have shown to be the case. He is not telling you you have to like these qualities either, but simply that he, personally and subjectively, does!

Nach, I understand your interest in seeing his pics was to se his pics, nothing more....

...but there are some posts here that are ridiculous in suggesting that his opinions are of little value when his comments were a very basic, personal appraisal of very basic qualities (supported elsewhere in every lab type test I have seen) the balance of which he subjectively 'liked'. Its a blog guys, not a review you had to pay for for Pete's sake.

Do any of you listen to sport commentary? I suggest you tune out those commentators who were not top pros because they are obviously incapable of worthwhile insight. MJ makes it clear that he rates himself as a photog of only 'average skill' but 'v good in the darkroom'. He is honest and does not claim to be a great!

I am going to burry myself in some mud at the bottom of the pond.
 
I personally can not listen to American sport commentators, they are so cheesy! and overly friendly! (don`t take this serious) :D
 
Sports Commentators???????

Have you ever watched a Liverpool Match? Now those announcers are a little..... I mean a lot over the top.
 
I'm trying to resist a Planar, since I recently cleared out most of my 50mm lenses. I decided to keep a collapsible Summicron and a CV Nokton (to which I remember Mike is "allergic", though I don't know if it was a distaste for the handling or the imagery).

I'v enjoyed reading Mike's helpful commentary for a few years, now, but I've learned to be more careful since his column talked me into an RF645.....
 
This is only very slightly off-topic, and since I've never figured out how to start a new thread (instructions, please), I thought I'd share it here. It's from The New York Times:

Essay
Flame First, Think Later: New Clues to E-Mail Misbehavior

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Published: February 20, 2007
Jett Lucas, a 14-year-old friend, tells me the kids in his middle school send one other a steady stream of instant messages through the day. But there’s a problem.
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“Kids will say things to each other in their messages that are too embarrassing to say in person,” Jett tells me. “Then when they actually meet up, they are too shy to bring up what they said in the message. It makes things tense.”
Jett’s complaint seems to be part of a larger pattern plaguing the world of virtual communications, a problem recognized since the earliest days of the Internet: flaming, or sending a message that is taken as offensive, embarrassing or downright rude.
The hallmark of the flame is precisely what Jett lamented: thoughts expressed while sitting alone at the keyboard would be put more diplomatically — or go unmentioned — face to face.
Flaming has a technical name, the “online disinhibition effect,” which psychologists apply to the many ways people behave with less restraint in cyberspace.
In a 2004 article in the journal CyberPsychology & Behavior, John Suler, a psychologist at Rider University in Lawrenceville, N.J., suggested that several psychological factors lead to online disinhibition: the anonymity of a Web pseudonym; invisibility to others; the time lag between sending an e-mail message and getting feedback; the exaggerated sense of self from being alone; and the lack of any online authority figure. Dr. Suler notes that disinhibition can be either benign — when a shy person feels free to open up online — or toxic, as in flaming.
The emerging field of social neuroscience, the study of what goes on in the brains and bodies of two interacting people, offers clues into the neural mechanics behind flaming.
This work points to a design flaw inherent in the interface between the brain’s social circuitry and the online world. In face-to-face interaction, the brain reads a continual cascade of emotional signs and social cues, instantaneously using them to guide our next move so that the encounter goes well. Much of this social guidance occurs in circuitry centered on the orbitofrontal cortex, a center for empathy. This cortex uses that social scan to help make sure that what we do next will keep the interaction on track.
 
jtm said:
I'v enjoyed reading Mike's helpful commentary for a few years, now, but I've learned to be more careful since his column talked me into an RF645.....

But do you regret is, I don't! MJ's evaluation was not clinical and certainly not typical, but I could relate to the camera as a photographer before I bought it compared to the Mamiya 7 for the sam reasons. I dont regret it, all factors considered. He did not need to be Cartier Bresson to do this. I am not CB either, neither are most of us...see the parallel?
 
Nachkebia said:
at least they are naturally cool and over the top :D :D :D

No, we must be talking about different people. The announcers I have heard behaive like the they are sitting in a pub infront of a TV shouting out at the players, refs, coaches, fans, mascots....... They let everyone have it, and occationally make a comment about the match too.

(truth be told I catch a lot of UK soccer matches late in sleepless nights, So I am pretty sure they are Liverpool announcers, or I may just be confused)
 
rover said:
No, we must be talking about different people. The announcers I have heard behaive like the they are sitting in a pub infront of a TV shouting out at the players, refs, coaches, fans, mascots....... They let everyone have it, and occationally make a comment about the match too.

(truth be told I catch a lot of UK soccer matches late in sleepless nights, So I am pretty sure they are Liverpool announcers, or I may just be confused)
If you are watching on the Fox Soccer Channel it sounds like you are watching (or hearing) supporters commentate on the matches, not sports journalists who are the usual commentators. Since we all know that Liverpool are a rubbish team it is hardly surprising that their supporters talk rubbish as well. :) ;) :D
 
Turtle said:
But do you regret [it?]

Nope. It's a great camera, and I probably enjoy it more than I would have liked a Mamiya 7. It's certainly more affordable. My only regret is that I don't use it enough.

But can I live without another 50mm M-mount lens?
 
Dan States said:
Back in "the day" when Mike was on the LUG we often saw his photos on line. I believe he was even on the Leica MSN Group Hans Phalen started that may still be out there somewhere. He's a great shooter who couldn't stand some of the puffed up blow-hards on the LUG.

He rightly rejected the pseudo scientific commentary of guys like Puts who suck folks into their orbit with just enough science to keep them confused, but not enought to be right.

Best wishes.

Dan

PS...I'll say it again, the Planar IS awesome...



I do have the Planar 50/2 - as a matter of fact I just loaded a R3A with some APX 400 for some shooting tomorrow. I like the lens, but that is my opinion. We should not forget that the Summicron is an old design that has been massaged and improved upon for 50 years. It is the result of 'evolution" rather than "revolution. The Planar is a brand new design and that the glass and coatings are the results of modern technology applied to the original Planar formula.

Unless you are very fond of shooting lens targets with ultra slow document film and using very heavy tripods, there is very little difference between a Summicron, a Planar, a Heliar (the 50f2) and others. There are differences in how the lenses renders out of focus areas, there are variations on edge fall-off and there are simple ergonomics. A so called "lesser" lens that fits your hand better is most likely going to give you better pictures than the most 'superlatived" of the latest compilations of glass!

As to Erwin Puts; he is a good friend of ours and I respect his knowledge and dedication. Our shooting style is different though. I shoot Tri-X handheld and Erwin uses slow films and tripods. There are few instances when I can shoot in such a manner that iIoutperform either the lens and/or the film.

I have the 50/2,5 VC lens and it is more than adequate as a lens in the way i use it! Nice and compact and as it is designed to look and feel like a 35/2 Summicron - it fits my egonomics theory too!
Please go to

http://flickr.com/photos/rapidwinder/sets/

I have just finished scanning about 150 shots there under Film/Developer and there are a multitude of shots done with a variety of 50's among them.
 
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Nachkebia said:
I have seen his writings and I read his blog but not pictures, he is a great photographer? where can I see his photos? pardon me for asking though :D

I know this is an 1 week old thread, but I just noticed it.

Like many others here, I love Mike Johnston's writings. I thing the Sunday Morning Photographer he was writing on Michael Reichmann's Luminous Landscape was great reading and I was very sorry when he stopped. Mike's column is the first thing I read in every issue of B+W Photography, just like Herbert Keppler's column is the first page I jump to in Pop Photo (when I read it...).

Vlademir, if you are interested in Mike's photographs, you can buy some there:
http://topprints.blogspot.com/

Cheers,

Abbazz
 
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