Mirrorless Full Frame an option some day?

[Paul T.]

I'm assuming you're ignoring the M9 from this category because it isn't "live view", correct?

~Joe

Well, we're talking about EVF systems. I can't imagine the manufacturer of a new EVF camera will mess around wiht off-set microlenses, they'll do waht Panasonic, Olympus and I would guess Samsung do, design the lenses to work with the sensor they have - because that way is cheaper.

 

[squirrel$$$bandit]

I have the original M8. What I am interested in is a lower cost backup that will take my M lenses and as a bonus, offer me another way (sometimes the evf would be better) to focus my lenses when I want it (I would like it sometimes for my Noctilux). I also want it to give me raw files decent enough for 17"x22" prints. It would also allow more experimentation with many other lenses by a vast number of different manufacturers, hence breathing new life and value to many of the lenses made for almost 100 years!!! That would be full of fun and discovery (re-discovery?).

Micro four thirds really isn't far off, and has the advantage of extreme compactness. The next generation sensor would probably meet your print size needs, too.

 

[Bob Ross]

Micro four thirds really isn't far off, and has the advantage of extreme compactness. The next generation sensor would probably meet your print size needs, too.

I don't have any trouble with that size print using 4/3rds' 10MP sensor. Getting that big is lens and technique sensative. I have also read where a pro does 20 X 30 commercial work on a regular basis with 4/3rds 10MP.
M4/3rds might not match ergonomically with the HQ 4/3rds lenses presently out there.
Bob

 

[Nemo]

I expect to see an EVIL camera with 24x36mm format from Leica, sharing several key specifications with the M system (M mount, lens-to-flange distance, etc.).

Let's see what happens at the Photokina 2010.

 

[jarski]

I expect to see an EVIL camera with 24x36mm format from Leica, sharing several key specifications with the M system (M mount, lens-to-flange distance, etc.).

Let's see what happens at the Photokina 2010.

yes, interesting to wait half a year to see did you expect right. I'm in !

 

[jaapv]

I expect to see an EVIL camera with 24x36mm format from Leica, sharing several key specifications with the M system (M mount, lens-to-flange distance, etc.).

Let's see what happens at the Photokina 2010.

I think you are right, but I think it will be aimed at the late R system.

 

[artur5]

If such camera appears it won't be probably made by Leica in Solms/Wetzlar, but outsourced somewhere, as it's surely the case of the X1. Even this way, I'm afraid it will be rather expensive -on line with Leica's pricing.
Anyway, with a M mount, you have access to almost any 24x36 SLR lens ever made. There are adapters for M to R of course, but also for other SLR mounts and companies like Novoflex and Kipon are willing to produce adapter rings of any kind, provided there's a fair market for them.
See what is happening with the Micro 4/3 format, you can buy adapters even for lens mounts so long discontinued as the Swiss Alpa.

 

[eleskin]

M mount full frame mirrorless

M mount full frame mirrorless

I agree M mount with adapters would create a camera that would conceivably use any lens ever made. If Leica would outsource, why not Kodak itself? They could incorperate an M9 like sensor in a very strong non metal body at a more reasonable cost. It would be an upscale version of the EP-1 concept. Maybe for 2,000 or so with a layout similar to the Leica X1.

 

[jaapv]

I don't know where this "Japanese X1" myth comes from. Leica clearly say it is their own development and production.

 

[Bob Ross]

The Omni-Lense body is an interesting idea and it will be interesting to see how they solve the off-set micro lenses needed for wide M lenses, but maybe detrimental for a 250mm R lens........not to mention the zoom lenses.
Bob