Model/Property release, "for profit" photo questions

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As an artist, I have a fairly good understanding of copyright law and model release requirements as it applies to illustration and the like. However, I feel shaky in my understanding of those things in relation to photography, especially as it applies to street photography. I'm not sure if I'll attempt to exhibit my photos, but would like to have a better understanding of what can be photographed and when a release is needed.

This question arose when I encountered what appeared to be a group yard sale on a city street. Some of the merchandise made an interesting composition against the wrought iron of the porch of the house and I began lining up a shot. Someone made it clear that I was not to take the photo and I walked away, figuring it wasn't worth it. From my understanding, if the photo is not for publication or profit (sale in a gallery), pretty much anything is fair game. Is this correct? At what point does a model/property release need to be obtained? What about journalistic images: say the shots taken in NYC on 9/11 which may include recognizable people whose release is impossible to get at the time?

Thanks
 
I would love to know the answer too. I also believe that most here have thrashed this around without anyone delivering a clear answer. I also suspect that is the way it is going to stay. Search around RFF's forums and you should see some past discussion and threads.

Good luck ... and welcome to street photography.
 
I pretty sure you don't have to get releases unless it's for advertising or other "commercial" work.Do you think photojournalists get releases for every news shot they take? What if it was the crowd at a football stadium?
 
First of all, IANAL!

However, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. No, seriously, I read (and recommend) "Legal Handbook for Photographers: The Rights and Liabilities of Making Images" by Bert Krages, who *is* an attorney who specializes in this area.

You ask a number of questions here:

1) Generally speaking, people who are in public have no right to expect privacy. You can take their photo legally. This may be modifed by a) local laws, which may or may not be constitutional in the USA, b) US Government Patriot Act nonsense, which is totally unconstitutional, but who wants to go live in a cage on Gitmo and c) really big angry people with a desire to wreak havoc on your person. In other words, use your common sense, but in general, if you're in public and they're in public, have at it.

2) Model release required for recognizable people only if used commercially. Like on a billboard or in a magazine, something that sells a product, that sort of thing. People cannot stop you taking their photograph in public, but they still own the rights to their own image unless they've signed a release.

3) Journalism is traditionally not considered commercial photography - no model release required. However, I have had more than one newspaper editor decline to publish a photo I sent in when he found I had no model release. Others, they've published without asking. YMMV.

Best thing is to get a model release when you can, avoid shooting on private property unless you have permission, try not to get punched out, and don't be afraid to take photos in public as you wish. Notwithstanding being assaulted, the worst thing is you end up with a lovely image you can't sell, but can display / exhibit.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

PS - The book I mentioned is really good and a quick read - doesn't cost much either.
 
Hi JMP,

As good Bill alluded to above, if the image is not for sale or profit, or use by a third party outside of editorial news journalism, then the persons, objects and buildings are technically in the "public domain", and no release is required. If you want to sell it as "Art" or shoot private/commercial property, then things can get tricky.

If the yard sale was on someone's private property, or on the property of a commercial business where the business name/sign was clearly visible, then a property release would be required if you wished to use the photo for PROFIT reasons (mostly because you, as the photographer, do not own the COPYRIGHT to the building/house DESIGN. The architect does). Again, this does not include photojournalism (as PJ is considered in "the public interest". This is why the National Enquirer shoots everyone, everything and everywhere in public with their only problem being libel/slander suits if the image is considered "defamatory" by the persons depicted).

I believe (correct me anyone) that prvate/commercial property only extends to the beginning of the sidewalk (which then becomes "public" or city property, and you CAN shoot anything and anyone on this little concrete strip of "public domain"). But since you were attempting to shoot something actually on on someone's "private" property, then of course they could yell at you to stop. But since you are also a "private" citizen with rights, you could stand on the sidewalk (so as not to trespass), shoot and exhibit the work, but risk, without a property release, a threat or action of lawsuit.

But I also believe that if the HOUSE/Commercial Property (which is under copyright by the architect/designer) as A WHOLE is not CLEARLY RECOGNIZABLE, then you have nothing to worry about. If the house in whole or the house ADDRESS does not show up in the photo, there's no real proof that the house in quesiton was TRULY the house in question ("Hey Judge, there are hundreds of those wrought iron fences around town, and at Home Depot."). And you could argue this unless they themselves took a digital shot showing what you shot, and drag you into the People's Court to be castigated by a crazy ex-judge while waving their "proof". But a real judge would not side with them unless the copyright owner of the house (architect) showed up and joined in as a plaintiff, or, the homeowners tried to claim trespassing (which, if you were standing on the sidewalk, would fail in court as a claim against you).

So, interestingly, the home owners may "own" the house and property (as well as the air inside of that space), but they do not actually own the COPYRIGHT of the house (which is where the whole issue of Property Releases truly belong). The design copyright belongs to the designer and architect. So do homeowners really have any rights against you photographing something they had no hand in designing? Just the right of "private" property, which really belongs to the architect or the bank that holds the mortgage. And they ain't gonna care!

Also, the house or commercial establishment has to be CLEARLY recognizable so that the plaintiffs could infer some form of defamation or lack of permission/release, and the judge would have to clearly determine whether some form of "harm" actually occured. And since the homeowners don't own the copyright, they can't sue you.

Homes should still be generally avoided because of this complex copyright/release matter, unless the home "owners" give you permission to photograph their fenced goods. While this does not explain all the bus-riding-tourists (and the bus companies who take them there) who photograph the homes of the movie stars in Hollywood without getting busted or sued en masse, as a visible photographer it's something to be aware of. My motto is shoot first, then ask questions later as you run like hell to the darkroom.

PS: If anyone has more info to correct anything I've said, FEEL FREE!

Cheers,

Chris
canonetc
 
Lets try a case study on where to apply this.. which just so happens to be involving one of my photos that I'm curious about 🙂

*This* is the photo I'm referring to. It was taken at a public event, in a private gallery space. The bunny in the photo is the art of one of the guys on the right side of the photo. Neither of the guys are recognizable as you can see, nor is the venue where it was taken.

Question: What releases would be require in order to submit this to a contest? One of the honorable mention prizes is that the photo is published in magazine X (can't remember which one at the moment).

Really, according to Chris's post, I wouldn't need any property release. The painters aren't recognizable, so no release there. What about for the actual painting? Am I way off on this?

It makes an interesting case and it seem that these things can get very complicated very quickly, especially with street shooting.

Thank you!
 
For starters, the safest thing would be to get the artist's permission, since you are showing
PART of their artistic creation/works. Standard copyright says, "no reproduction in PART or in FULL without the verbal written agreement of the artist...". PLus, if you ask, they might be impressed, especially if their work (in part) gets published and you can manage to get their name/s mentioned in the byline. If you win, naturally.

Secondly, you were in a private gallery, which is private property. Technically, the gallery is not visible, and it's highly unlikely the owner's going to even see the magazine much less complain. So, I'd say you;re clear in that regard. Meaning, no need to ask the gallery owner for a release, as there's nothing to be released other than a blank wall and the work of the artists themselves.

So, offer them a 8x10 print, tell them you want to put it in a contest, and see what happens. If they say no, you can always take your chances and hope they never see it. And, that the magazine doesn't ask you for a release. Which they probably will, or, in the fine print of their contest rules, categorically state that "all releases are the sole responsibility of the photographer (you)." This clears them (kinda) from lawsuits by the artists or other concerned parties.

So, you;re dealing with someone else's artwork (copyrighted) and you were in a private place unrecognizable. Cool, but nicely offer the artists a print and I'm sure they'll butter up. Since many artists are classically "starving", they might not be able to do anything legal anyway. But, the ethical issues, especially respect to fellow artists, are paramount. I think a property release would be sufficient, although I'm sure you can find an "art" release somewhere on the net.

Cheers,

Chris
canonetc
 
Canonetc, thanks for the detailed response and examples. This does indeed get tricky.

F/stopblues, since the bunny and shark would be easily recognizable as the creations of that artist, I would agree with canonetc and get a release. As an artist myself, I would think it would be a good opportunity for my work to be seen, but would be miffed if I came upon the photo in a magazine and my permission was not requested.

Some other things to keep in mind that are related (which might give you a better understanding of an artist's perspective): In the illustration world usage and rights purchased are the business bywords. Rights purchased describes the copyright holder. Most illustrators will not sell all rights without a pretty substantial reimbursement. Normally they will sell the right to use the work in a specific publication (ie magazine X) for a specific time (ie 1 issue)-Usage. Even the copyright of a painting purchased in its physicality (through a gallery or dealer), is still held by the artist.

-Jon
 
bmattock said:
First of all, IANAL!

I read (and recommend) "Legal Handbook for Photographers: The Rights and Liabilities of Making Images" by Bert Krages, who *is* an attorney who specializes in this area.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

PS - The book I mentioned is really good and a quick read - doesn't cost much either.

Bill

He's a local Portland, OR attorney, and a nice guy. And his book, is quite good. I recommend it too.

Gee, I'm within 8000 posts of catching up with Joe.....

Russ
 
privacy and publicity rights

privacy and publicity rights

This is a very complex topic. The laws are governed at the state level, so you will have to do some research at find the privacy and publicity laws that apply in your state (or the state where you took the photos).

The basic concept is that the subject of the photos, unless you have a contract with them that releases their likeness to your uses and waives privacy rights, has the right to claim privacy rights if you seek to sell the work.

News and media photographers have a way around this law, and famous persons have a hard time trying to assert their rights to privacy, but if someone you photograph on the street should see their picture in a book for sale, or on a website, they have the right to try to impose legal restrictions on you, to sue for some breed of slander or libel, etc. Bottom line, everyone has rights that protect their private self, their likeness in photograph or audio recording, their name, etc., from public presentation if for profit - or not for profit.

Here is a question. First, I am am a photographer, and I believe that photographers should not be harrassed by the law, but how would you like to have your photograph in a piece that is in a gallery and in a context that conflicts with your personal values? Alot of times, it is not the simple fact that the person was photographed, but the way in which the photograph is used that irritates them.

Non-profit uses, where you are not making money off of the work, are less in need of legal worry, but laws still apply. Really, just look at some websites. Look at Findlaw.com, and find out about how privacy rights, publicity rights, and artistic uses are protected under the law in your state. I know that certain private individuals have sought to bring suit against artists that used their likeness in an artistic work - I am not sure how the cases panned out under the law, but it has been tried in court, or before a judge in some manner, so a legal question does exist.

I am not a lawyer, and I do not make any promises about the accuracy of the above claims regarding the law. I do, however, believe that there are ways of getting into trouble as a photographer, especially when you have not contracted with your subject to remove the legal grayness from the equation.
 
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