MTF Data for Rollei Normal 40mm f/2.8 Sonnar HFT

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If you're interested, Popular Photography still has their SQF charts posted on line. These are at least partially derived from MTF results. There is an article explaining SQF on the Pop Phot website. The Rollei MTF chart was originally included in the brochure for the camera & lenses. If you know a Rollei dealer, you might check to see if they still have any of these brocures available. It's a long shot. I know. Maybe Rollei USA still has some.

Anyway, here's the Pop Photo link:

www.popphoto.com/assets/download/2182004142350.pdf
 
Well, I actually found the original brochure on line with the MTF data included, but for some reason I can't get it to link. So click on the link below:

http://www.archive.org/index.php


When you get there, type the following into the window that says "Wayback Machine:

"www.rollei.de/cct/files/rollei/data/Prospekt35RF%20e.pdf"


That should bring you to a page listing back issues of the Rollei website. Click on the first one with the asterisk & it will give you the Rollei 35 RF 8-page brochure. The MTF charts are on page 4. If you have any difficulty with this, PM me & I will mail you a copy.
 
Is this possible? It looks very smiliar to or better than the current 35mm - 50mm line ups by ZeissIkon. I am a newbie at this. Please advise.
 
drjoke,
they look to me like a disaster. In fact they represent a very poor performance. Perhaps you misinterpreted them. Please put the MTF of the rolley sonnar near that of the current ZM 35/2. The difference is huge
 
The Rollei sheet goes all the way to 100mm whereas the Zeiss sheet goes only to 35mm. That may make the Rollei look very horrible. Please note I am new at this, but it looks tat way. The attached is the ZM Biogon 35mm.
 

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The Sonnar does very nice on axis and is comprable to tha very best out there. The contrast levels however drops quite a bit beyond a radius of about 5 mm especially at 20 and 40 lp/mm and there appears to be a fair amount of astigmatism present. Distortion is also a bit high almost reaching 2% towards the outer frame. That said, I found the lens an excellent performer on par with my 35/2 Summicron ASPH. except at the extreme corner where the Sonnar was a bit soft. The fingerprint of the Sonnar is such that central sharpness is exemplary with some softening in the outer field but not enough to be the least bit problematic. Shown here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=672238 are some shots with the Sonnar and comparison to the 35/2 ASPH. Summicron, both at f/2.8. I defy anyone to see a difference in sharpness on comparison of the off center crops.
 
The Rollei graph terminology is diffferent than the Zeiss on the X axis. "100" simply represents 21.5 mm which is the radius from the center ("0" or 0 mm) and is the extreme corner of the frame.
 
Ok I did not notice that they arrive to 100 mm. The half diagoinal is 21,6 and hence it is reasonable to arrive around 20. Actually this is the extreme corner, so that it is acceptable if the performance is still outstanding at 15-18. Moreover I am not able to find what aperture they refer to. If it is e.g. f8 it is not an outstanding performance anyway. I wish I had the graph for the Rokkor 40, one of my lens that are still undocumented. Please notice I do not mean reviews but just the MTF. As to reviews it is enough for me that HCB used it
 
Pistach said:
Ok I did not notice that they arrive to 100 mm. The half diagoinal is 21,6 and hence it is reasonable to arrive around 20. Actually this is the extreme corner, so that it is acceptable if the performance is still outstanding at 15-18. Moreover I am not able to find what aperture they refer to. If it is e.g. f8 it is not an outstanding performance anyway. I wish I had the graph for the Rokkor 40, one of my lens that are still undocumented. Please notice I do not mean reviews but just the MTF. As to reviews it is enough for me that HCB used it

The Rollei graph is for f/2.8 & is better than that for the 40/2 Summicron-C wide open, which on axis falls below 90 @ 10 lp/mm, is slightly above 70 at 20 lp/mm, & is at 50 for 40 lp/mm. The fall off in the field is very similar to the Rollei. The difference in favor of the Summicron-C is the lack of astigmatism displayed by the Sonnar. Optically, the Summicron-C should be pretty much the same as the Rokkor. These are classic lens designs from the early '70s. In these days of maximum sharpness, it's easy to forget that this was not always the case, but that lens designers were still able to obtain excellent & very appealing results. It's also unfortunate that Rollei chose to include only one MTF chart in tehir promotional material. It's impossible to judge a lens by the results at a single aperture. It's worth noting that Zeiss doesn't include 5 lp/mm in their MTF graphs as Leica does, so anyone who is used to looking at Leica graphs might be expecting a different look of the top line at first glance.

I don't have the ability to reproduce the Summicron-C MTF graphs here, but they can be found in the Leica Pocket Book from Hove Collectors Books. Mine is the 7th edition.

Just to give a feel for the Summicron-C MTF graph, here are the results @ f/2 extending out from the axis at 0, 6, 12, & 18. Numbers are estimated from the graph.

5 lp/mm - 96, 90, 81, 70
10 lp/mm - 89, 79, 69, 60
20 lp/mm - 71, 60, 31, 49
40 lp/mm - 50, 27, 0, 30
 
drjoke said:
How would this compare to the current Nokton and Ultron 35mm, asides from being slower?

Cosina does not publish MTF data on their lenses so thee is no way of knowing.

Comparing any of this data is a sketchy business at best because MTF graphs published by any company are calculated, not measured . . . except for Zeiss. So, the MTF data on the Rollei/Zeiss Sonnar - as limited as it is - is a reasonably reliable measure of the functions represented by MTF. The Leica data for the Summicron-C or any other lens is a representation of optimal performance, not necessarily actual performance.

Popular Photography did test the Nokton & Ultron 35. The SQF charts on both lenses were outstanding. This information can be found respectively in the July, 2000 & August (?) 2005 back issues of Pop Photo.
 
Finn,
thank you very much for your very interesting posts!
In the Leica Pocket Book you cite will I find also the MTF of the Summicron C at f8?
I would like to travel light on my next trip, but I am spoiled by the monster performance of ZM 35 that I mount on my m5 (and use at f8 +/- one stop). I would like to have an idea of the difference
 
Pistach said:
Finn,
thank you very much for your very interesting posts!
In the Leica Pocket Book you cite will I find also the MTF of the Summicron C at f8?

Pistach, unfortunately the MTF for the Summicron-C at f/8 is not included in the Leica Pocket Book.In addition to f/2, the MTF for f/5.6 is included. As expected, it shows considerable improvement from f/2, so f/8 will only be better still.

You can't do a direct comparison of the Summicron-C & the 35 Biogon from published MTF data other than at f/2 because Zeiss publishes MTF results only at f/2 & f/4. However, even at f/4 the Biogon is stronger in the field at f/4 than the Summicron-C is at f/5.6.

Comparison of Zeiss & Leica MTF data is difficult anyway because Leica's I calculated & therefore a representation of lens performance more in theory while Zeiss MTF data is measured & therefore closer to real world performance with some allowance for sample variation.

Cheers . . .
 
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