My friend just handled the M8 !!!

[jlw]

i have nothing worth 5 g's to sell!

What, no kidneys? Oh, I forgot, eBay stopped accepting that kind of auction...

 

[visiondr]

I like everything I've read about this camera so far - apart from the .68 viewfinder. For someone like me that shoots almost exclusively with a 50 and 90mm lens a 0.68 viewfinder would be a significant downside.

Rich,

I suspect Leica or some third party will offer some sort of magnifier for people who use longer focal lengths. Though, such a system would be sweet if built-in. Such an issue wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Ron

 

[Nachkebia]

I guess it is a nice time to buy M7 or MP, there is no digital camera in the world that can be better then film, even it is M8 🙂 who ever wants to sell M7 or MP send me a PM 🙂

 

[back alley]

What, no kidneys? Oh, I forgot, eBay stopped accepting that kind of auction...

diabetic with a heart condition...low return i would think

 

[rover]

M or Ltm mount? 😀
Nico

That would be a small shank tenor horn, .500 bore, a good jazz horn. Whodda thunk it, I also have a 1960s horn that is ugly, a user, but with a great character that I really like so I can part with my Getzen.

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

That would be a small shank tenor horn, .500 bore, a good jazz horn. Whodda thunk it, I also have a 1960s horn that is ugly, a user, but with a great character that I really like so I can part with my Getzen.

That would be a trombone with quite a character if it actually fits the mount.

I'm thinking...Kenny G? "Kenny G and the Castrati Polka..."

 

[sirius]

Wow, wow, wow. I know that the film camera market was ever-changing with the latest and greatest, but there was a base mechanical technology that remained very consistent over the years. But computers, wow, they change so fundementally. A ten year old computer is practically useless now. Are people going to spend so much on something that will likely be a paperweight in 10 years? USB will likely change and no longer be supported, operating systems, file formats, repair facilities, the list goes on and on. Is the computer development at enough of a plateau now?

Frank is right, digital cameras are peripheral computer devices.

Nothing that I'm sure every potential buyer hasn't considered, but buying the newest Leica seems like more of an risk then it ever was.

 

[Bob Ross]

The M8 has one helpful design feature for focusing accuracy -- the sensor is always in the same place. No film flatness uncertainly. So that's one less source of error in focusing. So perhaps focusing the 75/1.4 or 90/2 (with the smaller required circle of confusion due to the crop factor) is going to be reasonable even with a 0.68 finder. But, yeah, that's a WIDE finder, wider than the 0.58 on film. Equivalent of .51 corrected for crop factor.

Of course, another thought. The resolution (lines/mm) of the sensor may set a limit on the required circle of confusion. No point being fussier about focus than what the sensor can resolve...

I have been trying to get a handle on the 0.68X finder magnification and I think your 0.51 above got me more confused😱 The way that I approached it is that the film M 0.72 finder is just wider than 28mm to include those frame lines. The M8 has frame lines for 24mm, which has a FOV of 32mm. This leads me to suspect that the whole window is 28mm and might work with a 21mm. While for me they went the wrong way, I don't think it is a big change from the 0.72 finder.
The sensor can resolve 73.5 lp/mm max, so about 58 lp/mm for a 0.8 system MTF (if the sensor has 6.8µm photosites, as on the DMR). Leica has noted that focusing on digital seem to be more critical than on film, so it would be interesting to know their logic about the longer fast lenses. I suppose we could back into the COC, to see how much of a compromise there might be and how that might affect print size, as well.
Bob

 

[jano]

Frank is right, digital cameras are peripheral computer devices.

On one hand, yeah, but don't forget most people with cameras don't print beyond 8x10, and rarely go to anything larger. Today's 6MP are fine for that. So this 10MP I'm sure will last a long time, we're probably going to see a plateau in the whole megapixel and technology thing. It's great to zoom in 100% and see every nosehair, but we don't do that with prints *shrug*

Of course, the pros who go to magazines and billboards and fine prints, etc, will probably see a continued improvement in technology.

 

[visiondr]

Just a thought...

Instead of taking on a second mortgage for a new M8 (as much as I'd love to) why not consider getting a drum scanner (Imacon, maybe used) and keep using my MP.

Then again, it was just a thought...🙄

Ron

 

[RdEoSg]

because if you live where I do and don't have your own darkroom you will end up with lots of b/w film and no where to process the stuff 😉

 

[FrankS]

because if you live where I do and don't have your own darkroom you will end up with lots of b/w film and no where to process the stuff 😉

You may be surprised by how little you need to process B+W film. A darkroom certainly is not necessary.

 

[back alley]

nope, just a bathroom and a kitchen.

 

[FrankS]

Bathroom OR a kitchen, but hopefully Chris has both. 🙂

 

[back alley]

i like to load my film in the bathroom, no windows, easier to keep it dark and then the rest of the processing is in the kitchen under bright light.

kitchen AND bathroom

 

[rogue_designer]

i like to load my film in the bathroom, no windows, easier to keep it dark and then the rest of the processing is in the kitchen under bright light.

kitchen AND bathroom

Ah - well that explains that.. I have managed with a changing bag and just a bathroom.... technically, I have a kitchen. Technically. *grumbles at misleading apartment advertisements*

 

[Trius]

Brett: I was going to sell my left something-else; I believe it is still productive even though the USB port had its drivers removed.

 

[jlw]

Instead of taking on a second mortgage for a new M8 (as much as I'd love to) why not consider getting a drum scanner (Imacon, maybe used) and keep using my MP.

Been there, done that (not with a drum, just a regular film scanner.) It's a great work model if your style of photography is to aim for an occasional really good individual picture.

If you shoot a LOT of pictures, you'll quickly discover that spending hours developing and contacting PLUS more hours prepping and scanning become a huge millstone around your neck.

 

[JoeFriday]

nope, just a bathroom and a kitchen.

which pretty much covers my apartment

and yes, that's exactly what I'm using my bathroom and kitchen for right this minute

 

[FrankS]

Been there, done that (not with a drum, just a regular film scanner.) It's a great work model if your style of photography is to aim for an occasional really good individual picture.

If you shoot a LOT of pictures, you'll quickly discover that spending hours developing and contacting PLUS more hours prepping and scanning become a huge millstone around your neck.

I'm sure you aren't advocating for taking a lot of mediocre pictures instead
of just a few good ones, but it sounds that way. 🙂