My last roll of Agfa APX100

timor said:
Thank's Jan for clearing this fog. When do you think Adox will start to market the Pan films ?
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You're welcome.
Currently the Pan 400 is in the works. First test emulsions have been coated on a small pilot machine. Results are good.
The main problem is always the upscaling to the big coating machine. If it runs on the small machine, that doesn't mean it automatically runs on the big machine at InovisCoat.
So probably end of this year or next year the new Pan 400 will hit the market.

Cheers, Jan
 
ghostwriter69 said:
Any new APX 100 in 120? I've got one roll left... Plus two boxes of 4x5.
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No.
As I've intensively explained above, there is no new APX 100.

Adox is now concentrating on Pan 400. If that will be successful in the future, then they will turn to the ISO 100 version.
I don't expect that before 2013/2014.
It is very very difficult to make new films. Both from a technical and economical point of view.

Cheers, Jan
 
hipsterdufus said:
Thanks for the info. Just ordered 20 rolls. Works out to $3.35 per roll (after shipping!). Can't find film that cheap even in America. Sounds like a challenging film, but I like challenges. 🙂
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APX 100 is not at all challenging. Simple to work with.
It is the best ISO/21° BW film with classic cubic crystals.
Finer grain and higher resolution compared to Plus-X, Fp4+, Fomapan 100, Efke 100, Kentmere 100.

Of course Delta 100, TMX, Acros are surpassing APX 100 is this respect, due to their more modern emulsion technology (Delta grains, T-grains and Sigma crystals [Acros] ).

Cheers, Jan
 
HHPhoto said:
APX 100 is not at all challenging. Simple to work with.
It is the best ISO/21° BW film with classic cubic crystals.
Finer grain and higher resolution compared to Plus-X, Fp4+, Fomapan 100, Efke 100, Kentmere 100.

Of course Delta 100, TMX, Acros are surpassing APX 100 is this respect, due to their more modern emulsion technology (Delta grains, T-grains and Sigma crystals [Acros] ).

Cheers, Jan
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Thanks for all of the info. Do you have a recommendation for developing temps/times/dilutions for Rodinal? There's lots of info on-line, but your technical knowledge seems to be a bit beyond that average layman...
 
HHPhoto said:
No.
Adox is now concentrating on Pan 400. If that will be successful in the future, then they will turn to the ISO 100 version.
I don't expect that before 2013/2014.
It is very very difficult to make new films. Both from a technical and economical point of view.

Cheers, Jan
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Thank's Jan. Lets hope Adox will hang there and eventually deliver. If Kodak does something unthinkable the pressure on Ilford and Adox for high quality film might be high. And there is also the question in what format Adox is planning to make Pan 400.
 
hipsterdufus said:
Thanks for all of the info. Do you have a recommendation for developing temps/times/dilutions for Rodinal? There's lots of info on-line, but your technical knowledge seems to be a bit beyond that average layman...
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You're welcome, Eric.

Development time for Rodinal 1+50 is 17:00 min., for a Gamma of 0,65. That is the official Agfa recommendation.
For a condensor enlarger a Gamma of 0,55 - 0,60 is recommended, if you have a condensor enlarger you should shorten the development time.

Cheers, Jan
 
timor said:
Thank's Jan. Lets hope Adox will hang there and eventually deliver. If Kodak does something unthinkable the pressure on Ilford and Adox for high quality film might be high. And there is also the question in what format Adox is planning to make Pan 400.
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You're welcome.
Adox is planning 135, 120 and sheet film.
Perhaps we will even see 110 Pocket film again. In general Adox is working on that. They have bought the former Ferrania 110 converting machine.

Cheers, Jan
 
I still have about 70 rolls left of APX100. I've tried to find a replacement for the last two years but failed so far. TomA has been playing with ORWO 54 (see his Flickr stream) which to my eye looks like a possible contender. Beautiful, crisp tones. It's a shame I can't buy it for a sensible price here in EU.
 
HHPhoto said:
You're welcome.
Adox is planning 135, 120 and sheet film.
Perhaps we will even see 110 Pocket film again. In general Adox is working on that. They have bought the former Ferrania 110 converting machine.

Cheers, Jan
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That sounds good, very good. I hope, that at some point they start market this films in North America.
 
HHPhoto said:
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Currently the Pan 400 is in the works. First test emulsions have been coated on a small pilot machine. Results are good.
The main problem is always the upscaling to the big coating machine. If it runs on the small machine, that doesn't mean it automatically runs on the big machine at InovisCoat.
So probably end of this year or next year the new Pan 400 will hit the market.
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Do you speak about the "First coating" out of 2010?
From what I've read, they where not very happy with this.
And, honestly spoken, I was also not overwhelmed.
No speed increase as announced, still around 250.

Or have Adox new test coatings done?
 
Mablo said:
I still have about 70 rolls left of APX100. I've tried to find a replacement for the last two years but failed so far. TomA has been playing with ORWO 54 (see his Flickr stream) which to my eye looks like a possible contender. Beautiful, crisp tones. It's a shame I can't buy it for a sensible price here in EU.
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I have to disagree about Orwo 54. This film is much grainier and has lower resolution compared to APX 100 (I've tested it).
And the manufacturer of this film, Filmotec ( www.filmotec.de ), do not care at all about photographers. They only make and sell film for and to the movie industry.
They don't cut and spool their films in 35mm cartridges, they don't make 120 and sheet film.
They are not interested in a business with us photographers.
Why should I give them my hard earned money??

I think the companies need our support and our money, which do care for us photographers and make products for us. Companies like Ilford, Fuji, Adox, Maco, Kodak,Impossible Project, LSI.

Cheers, Jan
 
timor said:
That sounds good, very good. I hope, that at some point they start market this films in North America.
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They definitely will do. They ship to Freestyle, and of course they will ship this film, too.
Some time ago Mr. Böddecker mentioned that the same film then will also be sold by Lupus Imaging as AgfaPhoto APX 400 new (they are cooperating with Lupus).
If that happens, you will probably be able to buy this film under the AgfaPhoto Label at B&H or Adorama, too.

Cheers, Jan
 
HHPhoto said:
I have to disagree about Orwo 54. This film is much grainier and has lower resolution compared to APX 100 (I've tested it).
And the manufacturer of this film, Filmotec ( www.filmotec.de ), do not care at all about photographers. They only make and sell film for and to the movie industry.
They don't cut and spool their films in 35mm cartridges, they don't make 120 and sheet film.
They are not interested in a business with us photographers.
Why should I give them my hard earned money??

I think the companies need our support and our money, which do care for us photographers and make products for us. Companies like Ilford, Fuji, Adox, Maco, Kodak,Impossible Project, LSI.

Cheers, Jan
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I really have to wonder what your agenda is as Filmotec has at one time coated most of the Rollei/Maco films. They offer Dye Transfer supplies which can't be said for other companies. UN 54 is slightly grainier than Apx 100 and is no substitute but I don't see Agfaphoto or Rollei/Maco selling repackaged APX 100 in other sizes than 35mm. And in fact those companies still making Motion Picture films do a lot more for still photographers than still photography only companies. Without the Motion Pictrue industry there wouldn't be any Film or at least the average joe wouldn't be able to afford even a single roll of film.

I wish Adox the best of luck for their Adoxpan line because I believe them to be the only company that is really interested in a renaissance of the APX line. Maco and Agfaphoto are Marketing companies.

Dominik
 
HHPhoto said:
I have to disagree about Orwo 54. This film is much grainier and has lower resolution compared to APX 100 (I've tested it).
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Agreed.
HHPhoto said:
And the manufacturer of this film, Filmotec ( www.filmotec.de ), do not care at all about photographers. They only make and sell film for and to the movie industry.
They don't cut and spool their films in 35mm cartridges, they don't make 120 and sheet film.
They are not interested in a business with us photographers.
Why should I give them my hard earned money??
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So Kodak don't care about photographers because they don't sell DoubleX in 4x5? Come on...
The Filmotec people are VERY kind and helpfull. Yes, they make cine film, but this is their business and they don't hate photographers... 😀
I read between the lines during a talk with a filmotec rep, that they don't have a licence to use the name ORWO for still photography products...
 
Hi Dominik,

DominikDUK said:
I really have to wonder what your agenda is as Filmotec has at one time coated most of the Rollei/Maco films.
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sorry, but that is not true.
Filmotec has only made two films for Maco in the past:
The first version of Ortho 25, and the first version of Pan 25.
All other Maco/Rollei-films have been from other manufacturers, mainly Agfa-Gevaert in Belgium.

Now Ortho 25 and Pan 25 are made by Fotokemika for Maco.

Filmotec did a very bad job with Ortho 25: Severe quality problems, often the emulsion separated from the base material (I was one of their victims, too).
And Filmotec completely rejected customer service. A very bad behaviour.

And they tell lies to customers: At the telephone one of their employees told several times that Filmotec is doing the coating by themselves.
In an interview with the German "Handelsblatt" their CEO said, that they don't do their own coating, because they are much too small for running an own coating line.
Both Mr. Schroeder and Mr. Bödecker confirmed that and said, that Filmotec have no own coating line, the coating is outsourced.

But if you call them by phone, they tell you they are all doing it in their little factory. Which is a lie.

They think we photographers have no clue and are stupid.

DominikDUK said:
And in fact those companies still making Motion Picture films do a lot more for still photographers than still photography only companies. Without the Motion Pictrue industry there wouldn't be any Film or at least the average joe wouldn't be able to afford even a single roll of film.
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Sorry, that is not true in general. This picture fits partly for Kodak, but not for the whole industry.
Kodak is quite dependant on motion picture films, that is right. But Fuji is making its most money with RA-4 paper, not with motion picture film.
And film and RA-4 paper can be produced on the same coating machines, that is state of the art.
Ilford, Foma, Lucky, Fotokemika, Adox, InovisCoat don't produce motion picture film.
So even if the movie industry would go 100% digital, these companies can continue to offer photographic films.

And if Filmotec would stop production, there would be no impact at all to the film industry. It's a tiny 22 employee company, with a market share in the 0,00x....region.

Cheers, Jan
 
haempe said:
Agreed.

So Kodak don't care about photographers because they don't sell DoubleX in 4x5? Come on...
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Kodak offers most of their photographic films in 135, 120 and sheet film.
Filmotec neither offers 135, nor 120, nor sheet film.

I prefer to give my money to those companies who produce what I need:
And as a photograher I need film in photographic formats: 135, 120, sheets.

haempe said:
I read between the lines during a talk with a filmotec rep, that they don't have a licence to use the name ORWO for still photography products...
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So what? If they were really interested in selling film to photographers to create a new brand name is no problem.

Cheers, Jan
 
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