Leica LTM My Leica II won't take Filca's

Leica M39 screw mount bodies/lenses
Dralowid said:
Yes I think the small pip survives into early IIs (though I haven't any left to confirm), and presumably changes on Is about the same time.

To go off on a tangent...any film loading instruction plate?
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I'm not at home and can't check it (also there's film in one of my IIs and in the IA), but if I remember well, the IA has no film loading instruction plate mounted.

On another note, one of my IIs has a circular metal plate inserted in the vulcanite on the back, carrying the logo of the Dutch Leica importer/representative in the Netherlands. Recently, Johan had a photo of a IIIc with a similar logo of Leitz New York. Don't know if that was original, the camera was recently recovered, but on my Leica II it seems it was and I assume it was a factory job done on Leicas exported to the Netherlands. Anybody aware of other such importer logo's neatly inserted in the vulcanite?

Would this add/reduce the value (for a collector)?

Sorry for highjacking the thread ;)
 
haempe said:
Leica-Kassette Modell A (later the improoved Model B or FILCA) was avalaible from the beginning
The Leitz-AGFA Kassette (Kassette Model D or KASAM) was introduced in 1931 to use with the AGFA Tageslichtfüllung (the paper wrapped spool you describe).
Model A +B need the opening mechanism in the bottom plate.
Model D and factory assembled film cartridges not.
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KASAM!

:D

Bought another one last night!
 
Dralowid said:
To go off on a tangent...any film loading instruction plate?

Michael
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Michael,

Neither of mine has loading instructions, but the 89*** series one I saw last week did - looked a bit odd, like a IIIc notice somehow fixed on the bottom plate.

I wonder now if my locking plate was "updated" at some point?
 
John,

You'd think changing the plate would be something that might be done quite often, it is one of those bits that gets worn and sometimes bent.

As to the loading instructions, they are all over the place, I gave up trying to make sense of them

Michael
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HuubL said:
On another note, one of my IIs has a circular metal plate inserted in the vulcanite on the back, carrying the logo of the Dutch Leica importer/representative in the Netherlands. Anybody aware of other such importer logo's neatly inserted in the vulcanite?
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My Leica repairman, Mr. Scherpenborg from Nijmegen, still has those plates new, as he took over the inventory of the old CAPI in Nijmegen.

Personally, I do not like them very much. I do have one on a II from 1932, but I prefer the cameras without them.

Erik.
 
buzzardkid said:
David,

A scan would be most appreciated, and could you tell me details on that book too?


I'll make sure to photograph the spool and cassette in detail and post shots here!

Good luck with your hospital visit, btw.
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Hi,

Hospital went OK, thanks for asking - I might be normal soon...

The scanner's not been the same since I upset coffee in it 5 years ago but here's a photograph of the bit in "Leitz Directions Part 1" it's the same in the 1935, 1937 and 1938 versions. I've also looked in "Leitz Supplementary Directions for the Standard Leica Camera" of 1934 but there's nothing there.

I don't think page 7 will be much use to you but here it is:

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If you've not got the instruction booklets (Parts 1,2 and 3) for the Leica then Hove Foto Books did a reprint that's a lot cheaper and tougher than the original.

I've also a copy of the instruction book for the 1B cassette (1953) but there's nothing of interest in it. And the same goes for "First Principles for Leica Users" of 1935, Barleben's "data book"and, of course, Morgan and Lester's tome.

Looking at my cameras, and dropping my "fofer" btw, the cassette spring seems to be opened by a little "L" shaped braket on the base plate that tapers and pushes the spring over as the plate is pushed down. It's difficult to photograph.

I wish I had some earlier stuff but the pension won't stretch to the truly historic ones and I've too many as it is.

Regards, David
 
KASAM film cassette type 1A

KASAM film cassette type 1A

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The bottom of this cassette pops off when you wiggle it loose a bit with your nail first, and then push the spool head.

The box of film only contains film on a spool, wrapped in thick paper. It should be loaded into the cassette in the darkroom.

Found both of these on the Fotografica Fair in Houten, NL last weekend and am really happy to include them with the 1932 Leica II that I recently picked up.

A shot of the cassette, camera and lens is in the 'Show your LTM thread', should you like to have a look...
 
haempe said:
Johan, the daylight spool is intended to load in subdued light.
Darkroom is not necessery for loading.
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Really? Makes me wonder what it looks like, inside that paper!

Anybody got a shot of the daylight spool contraption? I'm not ready to peel mine open, it's so nice and untouched...!
 
Go to ebay.co.uk and look at item No: 220892846101 to see what old films in reloads look like. It's sold now but the picture should still be there.

Regards, David
 
Thanks again, RFF archive!

I bought three of these KASAM/ Type D cassettes in a bulk lot of film cassettes and have had a play.

You can remove the innards of a standard 135 canister in a dark bag with a bottle opener and insert the spool into the KASAM/ Type D.

This has also explained to me why the three had three different spools - obviously from various reloads "back in the day."

For anyone interested, the round tab on the side of the cassette mates with the film positioning tab on the base of the Barnack. This gives the KASAM the same functional length as a FILCA, and makes it useless in more modern cameras.

Why do a 135 to KASAM load? It solves the film positioning issue using 135 cassettes in a Barnack (angles with sprocket holes in view).
 
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