taylan
Street Dog
Hello RFF folk.
Last week I was a junk yard and I bought below set:
Here are the details:
Linhof Kardan Color (I am not sure the model
It was in a dusty situation. I cleaned every part of it and lubricate bellows with almond oil. Now it is in a good condition.
Schneider-Kreuznach Super-Angulon 65mm f:8 : It seems unused. All glass are clear and shutter works properly
Schneider-Kreuznach Symmar 150mm f:5.6 : There is fungus on glass and slow shutters are not working properly. High speeds are fine
Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Arton 270mm f:5.5 : It is also seems unused. Glass are perfect but low shutter speeds are really slow. High speeds are fine also.
Super Rollex 6x7 roll back: Working perfect
Linhof 9x12 cm sheet film holder: 6 piece
All these items were very bag condition and they covered very thick layer of dirty. I paid bellow $100 for all of these. I am so lucky that I could manage to clean and there is no much trouble about the whole set.
Moreover I loaded a roll and tried that tree lenses and I didn't saw any problem at the negatives.
I have some questions. Firstly am I right about the model of the body?
Secondly, Can I use all of these lens with attached bellows for 4x5 film. When I used it with roll film I managed to focus all of the lenses with no problem.
Lastly, Can I fix the shutters low speeds an easy way or is it a craftsman work?
Last week I was a junk yard and I bought below set:
Here are the details:
Linhof Kardan Color (I am not sure the model
It was in a dusty situation. I cleaned every part of it and lubricate bellows with almond oil. Now it is in a good condition.Schneider-Kreuznach Super-Angulon 65mm f:8 : It seems unused. All glass are clear and shutter works properly
Schneider-Kreuznach Symmar 150mm f:5.6 : There is fungus on glass and slow shutters are not working properly. High speeds are fine
Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Arton 270mm f:5.5 : It is also seems unused. Glass are perfect but low shutter speeds are really slow. High speeds are fine also.
Super Rollex 6x7 roll back: Working perfect
Linhof 9x12 cm sheet film holder: 6 piece
All these items were very bag condition and they covered very thick layer of dirty. I paid bellow $100 for all of these. I am so lucky that I could manage to clean and there is no much trouble about the whole set.
Moreover I loaded a roll and tried that tree lenses and I didn't saw any problem at the negatives.
I have some questions. Firstly am I right about the model of the body?
Secondly, Can I use all of these lens with attached bellows for 4x5 film. When I used it with roll film I managed to focus all of the lenses with no problem.
Lastly, Can I fix the shutters low speeds an easy way or is it a craftsman work?
jammcat
Lick My Lens Cap
I will not say anything except that I am extremely envious of your fantastically lucky find!
Those lenses look pretty sweet.
Those lenses look pretty sweet.
FPjohn
Well-known
Beautiful. Symmar does 4x5 easily, the Super-Angulon as well. The TeleArton came in at least two versions with 152mm or 178mm image circle. So, either just able to do 4x5 or with a bit to spare.
yours
FPJ
yours
FPJ
sinetsin
Well-known
WOW!! Great find Taylan!! Enjoy it!;-)
nlubis
Well-known
Grrrrr.
Fantastic find, lucky you.
Fantastic find, lucky you.
Nokton48
Veteran
Looks to me like a complete Linhof Kardan Color set. The lenses were the best of the lot, they hand-picked them, then put their name on the front rings. That is what you have.
I am a Sinar Guy, but I appreciate the beauty of the Linhofs. Enjoy it and take it out and use it.
I am a Sinar Guy, but I appreciate the beauty of the Linhofs. Enjoy it and take it out and use it.
kuzano
Veteran
Double Quality Selection...
Double Quality Selection...
Schneider lenses when branded for Linhof go through double quality assurance process. At some point it became called the "Linhof Select" process, which implied that Linhof "cherry picked" lenses from Schneider and had them branded with a red triange or red Technika on the front ring.
That means the lenses passed the Schneider Quality Assurance process, and in addition passed a rigorous Linhof quality test.
I have typically gotten 25 to 50% more for the Linhof Branded lenses, and/or, Linhof branded shutters from various shutter manufacturers.
If those lenses are free of haze, marks and fungus... very good find at an incredible price. If the shutter operate well and on time for shutter speeds, so much more.
The camera is a tank for weight, but superb quality, especially for studio use. The lenses and shutters can be used for any large format body, such as a comtemporary folding field camera, or other monorails.
If you are going to put this setup into use, plan to buy a very sturdy tripod setup.
Double Quality Selection...
Schneider lenses when branded for Linhof go through double quality assurance process. At some point it became called the "Linhof Select" process, which implied that Linhof "cherry picked" lenses from Schneider and had them branded with a red triange or red Technika on the front ring.
That means the lenses passed the Schneider Quality Assurance process, and in addition passed a rigorous Linhof quality test.
I have typically gotten 25 to 50% more for the Linhof Branded lenses, and/or, Linhof branded shutters from various shutter manufacturers.
If those lenses are free of haze, marks and fungus... very good find at an incredible price. If the shutter operate well and on time for shutter speeds, so much more.
The camera is a tank for weight, but superb quality, especially for studio use. The lenses and shutters can be used for any large format body, such as a comtemporary folding field camera, or other monorails.
If you are going to put this setup into use, plan to buy a very sturdy tripod setup.
taylan
Street Dog
Thanks guys for your all good words and informations. I have just comprehended what I bought.
I have to buy a car before tripod for carrying it
I have to buy a car before tripod for carrying it
drew.saunders
Well-known
Wow! That's a great setup, worth well over $100 for just the worst lens in the lot alone! 9x12cm and 4x5" film holders have the same external dimensions, but take different film, so keep your 9x12 holders and get some 4x5 holders as well and you'll be able to use 4x5" film.
There's plenty to read here to get started: http://www.largeformatphotography.info
And there's a forum there too you may want to join. http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/
You should try working the shutters a few dozen times, that might improve some of the slow speeds. If you can get the shutters tested, you can write down what the actual speeds are and probably be OK with that. None of my shutters are exactly accurate at all speeds, so I just have a little sheet of paper taped to each lensboard telling me which speeds are off and by how much. The fast speeds will be slow too.
Your 150 is a convertible lens, that's why there's a second set of f-numbers in green. If you remove the front cell (it just unscrews), it becomes a 265mm f/12 lens, and you use the green numbers.
Have fun!
Drew
There's plenty to read here to get started: http://www.largeformatphotography.info
And there's a forum there too you may want to join. http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/
You should try working the shutters a few dozen times, that might improve some of the slow speeds. If you can get the shutters tested, you can write down what the actual speeds are and probably be OK with that. None of my shutters are exactly accurate at all speeds, so I just have a little sheet of paper taped to each lensboard telling me which speeds are off and by how much. The fast speeds will be slow too.
Your 150 is a convertible lens, that's why there's a second set of f-numbers in green. If you remove the front cell (it just unscrews), it becomes a 265mm f/12 lens, and you use the green numbers.
Have fun!
Drew
raid
Dad Photographer
Congratulations.
I have a Color Kardan 45s With a convertible Schneider lens.
I have a Color Kardan 45s With a convertible Schneider lens.
chrishayton
Well-known
Great deal, You could EASILY get your money back on just the lens boards. Have fun using it.
Particular
a.k.a. CNNY, disassembler
Great find!
The kardan-Color was my first 4x5. There are a few different versions, but mine was identical to this. My bellows were vinyl though, yours look like they are leather. The mini bag bellows at the front of the regular bellows are a great invention. It prevents the bellows bulking up when using wide lenses like the 65mm f8 you have with movements. What is also unique with this version is the back rise which helps when you want to raise the horizon when photographing from a high vantage point.
I finally traded it in for a Technika IV, which is more limited with its movements, but is a bit more compact and also has a rangefinder.
The kardan-Color was my first 4x5. There are a few different versions, but mine was identical to this. My bellows were vinyl though, yours look like they are leather. The mini bag bellows at the front of the regular bellows are a great invention. It prevents the bellows bulking up when using wide lenses like the 65mm f8 you have with movements. What is also unique with this version is the back rise which helps when you want to raise the horizon when photographing from a high vantage point.
I finally traded it in for a Technika IV, which is more limited with its movements, but is a bit more compact and also has a rangefinder.
robklurfield
eclipse
for sure the deal of the week
drew.saunders
Well-known
Schneider has lots of information on their old lenses, including serial numbers:
http://www.schneideroptics.com/info/age_of_lenses/
Your lenses were made in 1964 and 1965. If the shutters have never been serviced, then it's no surprise that they're off.
They also have information on older lenses: https://www.schneideroptics.com/info/vintage_lens_data/large_format_lenses/index.htm
I don't see the convertible information on the Symmar, but here's the information when not converted:
https://www.schneideroptics.com/inf...arge_format_lenses/symmar/data/5,6-150mm.html
And your Tele Arton:
https://www.schneideroptics.com/inf...e_format_lenses/tele-arton/data/5.5-270mm.htm
And the SA 65: https://www.schneideroptics.com/inf...ormat_lenses/super-angulon/data/5.6-65mm.html
http://www.schneideroptics.com/info/age_of_lenses/
Your lenses were made in 1964 and 1965. If the shutters have never been serviced, then it's no surprise that they're off.
They also have information on older lenses: https://www.schneideroptics.com/info/vintage_lens_data/large_format_lenses/index.htm
I don't see the convertible information on the Symmar, but here's the information when not converted:
https://www.schneideroptics.com/inf...arge_format_lenses/symmar/data/5,6-150mm.html
And your Tele Arton:
https://www.schneideroptics.com/inf...e_format_lenses/tele-arton/data/5.5-270mm.htm
And the SA 65: https://www.schneideroptics.com/inf...ormat_lenses/super-angulon/data/5.6-65mm.html
maddoc
... likes film again.
Very well spotted and congrats to your nice find !! Add a sturdy tripod and you are all set. Just a couple of days ago I saw that macodirect (Berlin, Germany) still sells some sheet film in both, 9x13 cm (12 ?) and 4x5 inches so you could use the film holder that you already have at first.
Add a sturdy tripod and you are all set. Just a couple of days ago I saw that macodirect (Berlin, Germany) still sells some sheet film in both, 9x13 cm (12 ?) and 4x5 inches so you could use the film holder that you already have at first.kubilai
Established
I had a Master Technika, and used all these lenses.
I enjoyed very much LF, excepted than Tele Arton was the worst flary lens I ever used.
I enjoyed very much LF, excepted than Tele Arton was the worst flary lens I ever used.
taylan
Street Dog
Thanks for your great comments and information. I just want to clarify a point. You are seeing the last condition of the set. When I bought it, it was an untouchable condition. I am still working on it. I am sure %95 of people never buy such a set even it would be for free. I love junk markets for this reason and I frequently visit them. If you have some time I strongly suggest to you. Believe in recycling
MartinP
Veteran
A really good find, but this is getting serious! Next you will be putting a 5x4" enlarger in your darkroom
The main thing for using the shutters is, of course, consistency rather than accuracy. A very simple, cheap and easy to make speed tester is explained well here....
http://www.mraggett.co.uk/shuttertester/shuttertester.htm
Take care that the lens with possible fungus is kept away from everything else - maybe a long period of UV (ie. daylight and shutter open on 'T') will kill it off?
The main thing for using the shutters is, of course, consistency rather than accuracy. A very simple, cheap and easy to make speed tester is explained well here....
http://www.mraggett.co.uk/shuttertester/shuttertester.htm
Take care that the lens with possible fungus is kept away from everything else - maybe a long period of UV (ie. daylight and shutter open on 'T') will kill it off?
