Sparrow
Veteran
you be a king,s man then?
MCTuomey
Veteran
Bill, how would you respond to the following observation(s):
1. That it was illegal in Germany from approx 1933 to 1945 for any German citizen or resident to refuse or fail to collaborate in the extermination of select minorities such as Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and others.
2. That the legal condition noted in #1 was a direct result of largely democratic processes that placed the National Socialist Party in a position of sufficient power to effect laws that underwrote and enabled its racial policies to be carried out within the framework of one of the most efficient bureaucracies of modern Europe.
3. That the largely democratic processes that placed the National Socialist Party in Germany in such a position of power were clearly unable to prevent the tyranny exercised over undefended minorities, nor were any constitutional or judicial safeguards likewise capable, once the NSP was in a position of hegemony.
I ask this because I sense that this thread is missing what seems to be most important about the issue of genocide in free societies: any state's power - and the power of the modern state is practically limitless within its geography and perhaps beyond in select instances - can be coerced into the most abhorrent victimization of minorities imaginable.
Respectfully,
Mike
1. That it was illegal in Germany from approx 1933 to 1945 for any German citizen or resident to refuse or fail to collaborate in the extermination of select minorities such as Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and others.
2. That the legal condition noted in #1 was a direct result of largely democratic processes that placed the National Socialist Party in a position of sufficient power to effect laws that underwrote and enabled its racial policies to be carried out within the framework of one of the most efficient bureaucracies of modern Europe.
3. That the largely democratic processes that placed the National Socialist Party in Germany in such a position of power were clearly unable to prevent the tyranny exercised over undefended minorities, nor were any constitutional or judicial safeguards likewise capable, once the NSP was in a position of hegemony.
I ask this because I sense that this thread is missing what seems to be most important about the issue of genocide in free societies: any state's power - and the power of the modern state is practically limitless within its geography and perhaps beyond in select instances - can be coerced into the most abhorrent victimization of minorities imaginable.
Respectfully,
Mike
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nwcanonman
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I can happily report there were no groups, hateful or otherwise, rallying on the capitol steps today - WHEW !
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dazedgonebye
Veteran
Wow. I expressed my opinion on all of this on page 1 I think. I never thought this coversation would go so long.
I've been reading and reading...and I've come to a conclusion or two.
1) I still agree with myself re: my earlier post.
2) Bill, I love you man!
I've been reading and reading...and I've come to a conclusion or two.
1) I still agree with myself re: my earlier post.
2) Bill, I love you man!
Sparrow
Veteran
Andy, only just got the Edward I. thing!
!! bit slow, we McBrides were still in the bog at that time only got our freedom with Nobel and a few conveniently placed Post Office
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nwcanonman
Guest
For any interested in the Olympia, WA area:
"Please join us for a Panel Presentation entitled:"What to do When Hate Groups Come to Town; Responses & Repercussions," at 7 pm on Wednesday, April 19th, in Koyinia Hall, First Christian Church, 7th & Franklin in Downtown Olympia. Featured Panelists: Zoltan Grossman, speaking about his experiences of working with communities in Northern Wisconsin and Chicago to respond to hate groups. Reiko Callner, speaking on her experiences as one of the founding members of Unity in the Community and as the author of the City of Olympia's Hate Crime ordinance. Larry Mosqueda, speaking on his experiences of working with the Olympia Movement for Justice & Peace about his involvement in organizing recent responses to Nazi activity. At the conclusion of the panelists' remarks, the audience will break down into small groups to share perspectives on how our community should respond and what we think the repercussions of those actions will be. The goal for this panel is to foster open dialogue on our diverse approaches and beliefs, and from there to build a stronger coalition for action. "
"Please join us for a Panel Presentation entitled:"What to do When Hate Groups Come to Town; Responses & Repercussions," at 7 pm on Wednesday, April 19th, in Koyinia Hall, First Christian Church, 7th & Franklin in Downtown Olympia. Featured Panelists: Zoltan Grossman, speaking about his experiences of working with communities in Northern Wisconsin and Chicago to respond to hate groups. Reiko Callner, speaking on her experiences as one of the founding members of Unity in the Community and as the author of the City of Olympia's Hate Crime ordinance. Larry Mosqueda, speaking on his experiences of working with the Olympia Movement for Justice & Peace about his involvement in organizing recent responses to Nazi activity. At the conclusion of the panelists' remarks, the audience will break down into small groups to share perspectives on how our community should respond and what we think the repercussions of those actions will be. The goal for this panel is to foster open dialogue on our diverse approaches and beliefs, and from there to build a stronger coalition for action. "