Need help deciding on a 28mm lens

Need help deciding on a 28mm lens

  • Konica M-Hexanon 28mm f2.8

    Votes: 10 40.0%

  • Zeiss ZM Biogon 28mm f2.8

    Votes: 15 60.0%
  • Total voters
    25
It was in 2008, my wife reminded me. I used B&W film then. It may have been taken with a Canon P.
I have photos inside the mosque.
 
brusby said:
Thanks Kofe for such valuable policing services to keep everyone in line.
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brusby said:
No, Kofe, you're being critical of others for not acting the way you think they should act. If you truly had "respect" for others you wouldn't criticize their actions in a public forum just because you'd act differently.
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Who is policing? Offering guidance to keep the thread on the rails isn't policing. I don't see how your lecturing is called for.
 
Rob-F said:
Who is policing? Offering guidance to keep the thread on the rails isn't policing. I don't see how your lecturing is called for.
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But it's obvious you believe your lecturing is appropriate Rob. And you're happy to fan the flames by interjecting your opinion when it was not requested by either Kofe or me.

Maybe you've got some other sage advice you'd like to take this opportunity to enlighten us with.

There are recent threads pondering why participation here seems to be dwindling. Is it any wonder?

I made the cardinal sin of suggesting a lens the op hadn't mentioned with a rationale that sometimes lenses that cost a bit more upfront can actually be less expensive to own in the long run. It was intended to be helpful. But of course, Kofe criticized my effort. And now you see fit to pile on.

Such negativity just seems so petty and small to me.
 
Once you have returned the Hexanon, OP, do give the Elmarit V3 a consideration. It's smooth, got the classic Mandler look and as many have mentioned in other threads, quite good with black and white.

It's relatively big in comparison to V4 and the two ASPH, but probably not much bigger than a hooded Hexy.

The ZM I feel is not ergonomically as good as the V3. The focus nub feels a bit weird and there is always an underlying fear about the Zeiss Wobble.

Just my 2 cents 🙂
 
I had an exhibit about ten years ago of 40 - 10x12.5" prints. 38 of the images were shot with 28MM lenses. And, those 38 were shot about 1/3 each with a Zeiss Biogon 2.8, 1/3 with a Konica Hexar 2.8, and 1/3 with a VC color-skopar 28mm 3.5. The lens selection just happened and had no significance.

The exhibit was in the gallery of a university with a large photo department so a lot of students were in and out. After the important part of the exhibit, the content, became settled the inevitable technical questions started to come up. One of the most popular was if anyone could differentiate the different lenses simply by viewing the prints. Many started with high confidence they could to some extent. In the final analysis, everyone concluded there was no visible difference.
 
Bob Michaels said:
I had an exhibit about ten years ago of 40 - 10x12.5" prints. 38 of the images were shot with 28MM lenses. And, those 38 were shot about 1/3 each with a Zeiss Biogon 2.8, 1/3 with a Konica Hexar 2.8, and 1/3 with a VC color-skopar 28mm 3.5. The lens selection just happened and had no significance.

The exhibit was in the gallery of a university with a large photo department so a lot of students were in and out. After the important part of the exhibit, the content, became settled the inevitable technical questions started to come up. One of the most popular was if anyone could differentiate the different lenses simply by viewing the prints. Many started with high confidence they could to some extent. In the final analysis, everyone concluded there was no visible difference.
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A "similar" test on Coke drinks was done in the Statistics Dept (Virginia Tech) during a lunch break. They used Coke, Pepsi, and some cheap no-name Cola. They had some of the top scholars in statistics design the experiment, and after all was completed, there was no statistical difference measured between the responses.

Oh well.
 
raid said:
A "similar" test on Coke drinks was done in the Statistics Dept (Virginia Tech) during a lunch break. They used Coke, Pepsi, and some cheap no-name Cola. They had some of the top scholars in statistics design the experiment, and after all was completed, there was no statistical difference measured between the responses.

Oh well.
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I can tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi, but I can't tell the difference between lenses... 😉
 
Yes, people make such statements, but when confronted with a rigorous test, most subjects cannot differentiate these drinks when given unmarked cup after cup with different Cola drinks.
 
raid said:
Yes, people make such statements, but when confronted with a rigorous test, most subjects cannot differentiate these drinks when given unmarked cup after cup with different Cola drinks.
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I honestly think this is a myth as well, but with an it depends clause. If you drink, say, Diet Coke all of the time, you will definitely know when you are given a Diet Pepsi. It tastes different. It just does. If you do not drink soda often...you won't know the difference. There are people who think beer is beer, wine is wine, coffee is coffee...and then there are people who have preferences. If. you do something often enough, subtle differences become very clear.
 
raid said:
Yes, people make such statements, but when confronted with a rigorous test, most subjects cannot differentiate these drinks when given unmarked cup after cup with different Cola drinks.
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Yes, I doubt we'll see a randomized, double blind trial of people judging photos from different 28mm lenses or any other lenses, all set up on the same camera, all cameras on tripods, same subject (s) all under the same light conditions...you get the drift. Its easier doing controlled trials of cola preferences than camera lenses. But I think Bob's experience (above) makes the point that most people will not be able to distinguish which lens was used for the photos they are viewing. Its more about the photographer's work than the specific lens.
 
ellisson said:
Yes, I doubt we'll see a randomized, double blind trial of people judging photos from different 28mm lenses or any other lenses, all set up on the same camera, all cameras on tripods, same subject (s) all under the same light conditions...you get the drift. Its easier doing controlled trials of cola preferences than camera lenses. But I think Bob's experience (above) makes the point that most people will not be able to distinguish which lens was used for the photos they are viewing. Its more about the photographer's work than the specific lens.
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I agree! I can see in my own images differences between lenses,but I am seeing which lens I am using each time! 😎😱
 
raid said:
Yes, people make such statements, but when confronted with a rigorous test, most subjects cannot differentiate these drinks when given unmarked cup after cup with different Cola drinks.
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"Most" doesn't mean anything.
I'm old enough to remember how both, C and P, tested differently from the substances bottled now to distribute among stupid a.k.a. "most". Comparing to this "most" pile of dummies I remember how changes in recipe were announced.
 
Relying on their rigorous blind tests, in 1985, the Coca Cola company changed the taste of the original Coke formula to be more Pepsi like since that was the blind testing preference of established Coke drinkers. "New Coke" was a marketing disaster when it was proven that long time Coke drinkers would buy the traditional product, not the one they indicated they preferred in the blind tests. Simple brand loyalty. "Classic Coke", actually the original formula, was introduced to great success.

I believe there is a photographic lens corollary. Some photographers have a strong brand equipment preference which supersedes any visible differences in the final result.
 
Bob Michaels said:
Relying on their rigorous blind tests, in 1985, the Coca Cola company changed the taste of the original Coke formula to be more Pepsi like since that was the blind testing preference of established Coke drinkers. "New Coke" was a marketing disaster when it was proven that long time Coke drinkers would buy the traditional product, not the one they indicated they preferred in the blind tests. Simple brand loyalty. "Classic Coke", actually the original formula, was introduced to great success.

I believe there is a photographic lens corollary. Some photographers have a strong brand equipment preference which supersedes any visible differences in the final result.
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You are right, Bob.

Coke loyalty won in the end. One of my professors told me then that he would drive long distance if needed to pile up on the original Coke " before it vanished". Some claimed that it was a brilliant marketing plot by Coca Cola Co. to create two lines of Coke in the end.

There exist some people here who follow lens brands, such as Leica admirers!

😎 😱 😀
 
styvone, Thinking specifically of small lenses that would balance well on a CL or CLE, & are in the sub-$500 category... The Avenon (also branded as Kobalux), Canon 28mm (2.8 or 3.5) or Nikon 28mm 3.5. All LTM lenses used with an adapter would fill the bill.
 
james.liam said:
Always wondered about that one. How does it compare to its contemporary, the CV 3,5/28?
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I had one in my hands last time i was in Tokyo. It uses a 43.5 mm filter so it's bigger in diameter than the CV but pretty thin. I would have purchased it, but it had a big black piece of something inside...that would have been costly to remove. In terms of handling it was nice and smooth. Reviews of its performance are pretty positive. I did have a soft spot for the black paint over brass construction of the CV.
 
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