Neopan 400 dead, Provia 400X too
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Greedo
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taemo
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what are the alternatives for 400 slide shooters? none now other than going 100?
redisburning
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well, I agree with the desperate hope that Acros doesn't get discontinued. I guess I can make due with Delta 100, but Tmax... if that was the only 100 iso t-grained film left I'd sell my film cameras. none of my cameras go beyond 1/1000th so iso 100 is the most important speed for me here in Texas during the summer.
anyway despite Neopan 400 being the first b&w film I shot, and my favorite, I havent shot any in over a year because Ive been trying to find a real replacement. rather than Tri-X or HP5+, I'm just going to use Delta 400. It was the best alternative I found, anyway.
thegman
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To be honest, I don't care about Neopan 400, there are plenty of 400 ISO B&W films out there, and although there are adherents of all of them, I don't see much difference between many of them.
Provia 400X is a shame though, it's a great film. Very expensive in 35mm, but if you just use it on occasion, it's not terrible.
Provia 400X is a shame though, it's a great film. Very expensive in 35mm, but if you just use it on occasion, it's not terrible.
bwcolor
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I probably have a two-three year supply in the freezer. That said, we are not yet down to one B&W moderate speed film, so will move on. My hope is that the remaining companies downsize and stay profitable.
HoodedOne
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What's gonna happen with the Neopan 400CN ?
Tim Gray
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Always said to see films go, especially ones that people really like. I never shot much of it, but 400X was a pretty amazing film.
RFluhver
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I did my stocking up of Neopan 400 weeks ago. Now I am stocking up on Provia 400X. Bought some yesterday. Here is a portion of my current stash. I have Portra 400VCs, NCs and even Polaroid 600 and Spectra! Still some more in the freezer that includes a whole bunch of Sensia.
kumotaki
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Regarding Fuji b/w films, it's a known fact in the little world of Caffenol that Acros 100 pushed to 400 is as good, if not better than Neopan 400 (Presto here in Japan). Acros pushed to 1600 is also good, less midtones but no visible grain. I believe that results would be similar in Rodinal. Fact is, since I have discovered that Acros is brilliant from 100 to way higher, I don't see any need for 400 b/w film.
I fully understand how seeing loved emulsions disappear will upset people. This is a sad thing indeed. But I came back to film because I love the tinkering. Less products means more tinkering to get what we want out of a shot. Today, to shoot film is to choose the hard way knowingly. We must enjoy being frustrated somehow.
And let's say it again. Fuji hate their film customers!
I fully understand how seeing loved emulsions disappear will upset people. This is a sad thing indeed. But I came back to film because I love the tinkering. Less products means more tinkering to get what we want out of a shot. Today, to shoot film is to choose the hard way knowingly. We must enjoy being frustrated somehow.
And let's say it again. Fuji hate their film customers!
lam
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Sad times. I enjoyed my last 200ft of Neopan 400 and tons of it prior. I can only now, see how Acros 100 does in 35 (as it's my favorite 120 film, if they kill that i'd probably sob.) Along side my other 400 speed films i'm using now.. Kentmere and HP5+ and Ultrafine extreme.
We all kinda knew it was coming; packaging redesigns, film sales, phone calls, customer service insights.. but now it's official and for that I mourn.
We all kinda knew it was coming; packaging redesigns, film sales, phone calls, customer service insights.. but now it's official and for that I mourn.
clayne
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Acros is miles apart from Neopan of any sort. The former is a clinical t-grain modern film the latter are classical approaches. I recognize that Acros is technically great but I prefer Neopan.
Photo_Smith
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Neopan 400 and Acros are not really in the same ballpark, a close match for Neopan is Fomapan 200 which uses a similar technology (epitaxial crystal upper layer, with cubic lower).
Still not the same, but closer than Acros.
Still not the same, but closer than Acros.
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Yep. I couldn't ever imagine replacing Neopan 400 with Acros. I'd just switch to a different 400 emulsion entirely. Luckily I already use both 400TX and Neopan at the same time.
John Bragg
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I'm glad I went back to Tri-X. I loved Neopan 400 in Rodinal, but rumours of its demise and the price hikes made my mind up for me.
tsiklonaut
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Neopan is a nice film, but b&w market is very healthy and we have many classic films around.
But damn, the demise of the mighty Provia 400X (RXP) feels like a kick into my balls! 😡
I guess the higher price have put people off not to buy it, but as a payoff it's the only really pushable E6 around after the Kodak's E200 was gone. RXP is superb up to ASA1600, even ASA3200 is doable, while it's silky smooth when pulled to ASA200. It's the most versatile E6 film around in those terms. Also RXP renders one of the most beautiful blues I've ever seen, beats even Velvia 50 in the rendering of blues IMHO.
Got to buy some Provia 400X and deepfreeze before it's gone for good... :bang:
Reflections (ii) by tsiklonaut, on Flickr
Margus
But damn, the demise of the mighty Provia 400X (RXP) feels like a kick into my balls! 😡
I guess the higher price have put people off not to buy it, but as a payoff it's the only really pushable E6 around after the Kodak's E200 was gone. RXP is superb up to ASA1600, even ASA3200 is doable, while it's silky smooth when pulled to ASA200. It's the most versatile E6 film around in those terms. Also RXP renders one of the most beautiful blues I've ever seen, beats even Velvia 50 in the rendering of blues IMHO.
Got to buy some Provia 400X and deepfreeze before it's gone for good... :bang:
Reflections (ii) by tsiklonaut, on Flickr
Margus
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For Fuji, if they end up with nothing but 160H, 400H, Velvia 100, Provia 100 and Acros 100 that would be fine. If need be, they could eliminate everything but Velvia 100, assuming that Portra is still around. (I don't see 160H for sale recently, maybe that is gone already.) It would be a sad day if Velvia disappeared, as there is no good replacement for that anywhere.
For Kodak, TMax 100, Tri-X, Portra 160 and 400 would be fine. I like Ektar 100 but I can live without it. We don't need Kodacolor or BW400. TMax100 is wonderful stuff, but I can live with Delta 100, and HP5. If Kodak was reduced to one film stock, I would take Portra 160.
So: Velvia from Fuji, Portra from Kodak, and BW films from Ilford would be a livable outcome for me, and most everyone else too I think.
For Kodak, TMax 100, Tri-X, Portra 160 and 400 would be fine. I like Ektar 100 but I can live without it. We don't need Kodacolor or BW400. TMax100 is wonderful stuff, but I can live with Delta 100, and HP5. If Kodak was reduced to one film stock, I would take Portra 160.
So: Velvia from Fuji, Portra from Kodak, and BW films from Ilford would be a livable outcome for me, and most everyone else too I think.
dct
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Well, if you throw in color films too, I have a different opinion regarding the types which should remain:
Superia 1600 for color low light needs
Fujicolor 100 or 200 for snapshots
Ektar 100 for (urban) landscape
I would really miss these three
And: xp2 for C41 b&w
Superia 1600 for color low light needs
Fujicolor 100 or 200 for snapshots
Ektar 100 for (urban) landscape
I would really miss these three
And: xp2 for C41 b&w
thegman
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Neopan is a nice film, but b&w market is very healthy and we have many classic films around.
But damn, the demise of the mighty Provia 400X (RXP) feels like a kick into my balls! 😡
I guess the higher price have put people off not to buy it, but as a payoff it's the only really pushable E6 around after the Kodak's E200 was gone. RXP is superb up to ASA1600, even ASA3200 is doable, while it's silky smooth when pulled to ASA200. It's the most versatile E6 film around in those terms. Also RXP renders one of the most beautiful blues I've ever seen, beats even Velvia 50 in the rendering of blues IMHO.
Got to buy some Provia 400X and deepfreeze before it's gone for good... :bang:
Reflections (ii) by tsiklonaut, on Flickr
Margus
Beautiful shot Margus, I've got a few rolls left of Provia 400X, but generally for slide I'm happy with Velvia.
Mongo Park
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Zoot. Only have 5 rolls left. Prices have gone up 25% here in England - Mailshots. Will purchase a batch tomorrow first thing. After that - Ilford and Kodak 400.
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