mmabale
Member
Due to my dumb gear choice at a local evening bike race, I was forced to expose Neopan 1600 @ 6400 just to get a shutter speed of at least 1/125
I know that most people rate this film's true speed at 1000, so this is closer to a 3-stop push than 2, and I've accepted that I may not salvage much from these rolls.
On my shelf, I've got a bottle of Rodinal as well as HC-110 syrup ready to use. There's also a packet of D-76 sitting around that I could mix up. (Kodak stop and fixer, too.)
Anyone get decent results any from these combos? What times and agitation would you recommend? I'm not adverse to a lot of grain as long as it doesn't get too clumpy. I'm tempted to try Rodinal stand for 90 minutes.
Thanks for your help.
I know that most people rate this film's true speed at 1000, so this is closer to a 3-stop push than 2, and I've accepted that I may not salvage much from these rolls.
On my shelf, I've got a bottle of Rodinal as well as HC-110 syrup ready to use. There's also a packet of D-76 sitting around that I could mix up. (Kodak stop and fixer, too.)
Anyone get decent results any from these combos? What times and agitation would you recommend? I'm not adverse to a lot of grain as long as it doesn't get too clumpy. I'm tempted to try Rodinal stand for 90 minutes.
Thanks for your help.
Tim Gray
Well-known
I can't really help you, but just to say that I've read the true speed of this film tends to be about 640, not 1000.
I think I'd want all the help I could get on these. 6400 is asking a bit much from TMZ if you ask me, and Neopan 1600 is slower. I'd try XTOL or DD-X (I think that's the one).
I think I'd want all the help I could get on these. 6400 is asking a bit much from TMZ if you ask me, and Neopan 1600 is slower. I'd try XTOL or DD-X (I think that's the one).
MichaelB
Established
Sorry, I have no personal experience with the combos you asked for. Please take this times as a start point and I am sure someone here has some hands on experience and will correct me. Dev times according to this dev time calculator set to push 3 stops, 3 inversions at start of every min and 20°C (http://www.phototec.de/infomag_erechner.php)
Neopan 1600 + Rodinal 1+25 18min30sec
Neopan 1600 + Rodinal 1+50 29min36sec
Neopan 1600 + Kodak HC-110 1+15 11min06sec
Neopan 1600 + Kodak HC-110 1+31 25min54sec
Neopan 1600 + Kodak D-76 stock 27min45sec
Neopan 1600 + Kodak D-76 1+1 33min18sec
I think the dev times look quite strange being uber exact, but thats where I would start and ask for more help. Good luck!
Neopan 1600 + Rodinal 1+25 18min30sec
Neopan 1600 + Rodinal 1+50 29min36sec
Neopan 1600 + Kodak HC-110 1+15 11min06sec
Neopan 1600 + Kodak HC-110 1+31 25min54sec
Neopan 1600 + Kodak D-76 stock 27min45sec
Neopan 1600 + Kodak D-76 1+1 33min18sec
I think the dev times look quite strange being uber exact, but thats where I would start and ask for more help. Good luck!
mmabale
Member
Update
Update
Just an update.
So I decided to semi-stand in Rodinal to help squeeze more out of the shadows and help mitigate the expected lack of tonal range. Dilution 1:150 for 90 minutes, swirl at 45 minutes at approximately 65 degrees. Scanned with Epson 2450 flatbed.
I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to rescue more than a handful of frames. They're still incredibly grainy and contrasty, but that was expected and I think somewhat adds to the nature of a gritty cyclocross race.
You can view other examples here: neopan1600 @6400
Update
Just an update.
So I decided to semi-stand in Rodinal to help squeeze more out of the shadows and help mitigate the expected lack of tonal range. Dilution 1:150 for 90 minutes, swirl at 45 minutes at approximately 65 degrees. Scanned with Epson 2450 flatbed.
I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to rescue more than a handful of frames. They're still incredibly grainy and contrasty, but that was expected and I think somewhat adds to the nature of a gritty cyclocross race.
You can view other examples here: neopan1600 @6400
wjlapier
Well-known
Those look great to me.
ali_baba
Well-known
i'm a fan.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Neopan 1600 behaves very well in Sprint Film Developer at box speed, it might give good results pushing as well- HP5+ pushes very well in it.
Though, those look fantastic considering what you shot it at.
Though, those look fantastic considering what you shot it at.
mmabale
Member
I've never heard of Sprint. Looking at some examples on flickr, I really like the results of this combo.
http://www.flickr.com/search/show/?q=sprint+neopan+1600&ss=2
P.S. Thanks for the comments everyone.
http://www.flickr.com/search/show/?q=sprint+neopan+1600&ss=2
P.S. Thanks for the comments everyone.
john_s
Well-known
Well done! Much better than I would have expected.
I'm glad I wasn't in that race: it looks pretty tough.
I'm glad I wasn't in that race: it looks pretty tough.
Turtle
Veteran
better than I expected too. if you are a darkroom user, some Max preflash will bring some of the hottest highlights down, or poss a mild fogging. It'll still leave you with juicy blacks, preserve the feeling, but rein in some of the really bright areas. Still, superb result all considered. Some great shots BTW!
grainhound
Well-known
I know about, but have never tried to pre flash paper. I'm interested in knowing what Max preflash is for film and how you use it. Is there a link? I may try Neopan 1600 at 6400 in the near future thanks to this thread.
These shots are great, especially for the conditions. It should be clear that I like grain, most of the time.
These shots are great, especially for the conditions. It should be clear that I like grain, most of the time.
Turtle
Veteran
grainhound, I was referring to flashing the paper, not neg. I know of the technique for film but have never used it. Only really applicable to those working very slowly.