New ADVANCED Point N Shoot Forum ?

[BillBingham2]

My 2 Cents.....(worth everything you have paid, no refunds)

My 2 Cents.....(worth everything you have paid, no refunds)

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I was one of those folks who have requested we give an option for folks who are becoming more and more dedicated to the design point regardless of the capturing technology (read film, glass plates or digital). I really do not want to say what is an Advanced P&S as it’s too limiting. Might be a 4x5 Crown Graphic, Bessa L CV 25/4 combo, GRD III, X-1 or a Sigma DP1x. Is an old Kodak Pony or Brownie the same as a GRD?

My request was to allow those using a higher quality P&S camera have a place to share ideas, experience and shots. While a good photographer can get great picture with any camera s/he knows

No. Way too many equipment type/brand specific sub-forums as it is.

Well part of the problem is that other than P&S there is no forum for geeks like me. I don’t see what the problem is with more forums. We see all the entries so why not?

No....Was the P&S forum supposed to be for cheap, low quality, fully automatic cameras only? Who wants to talk about those?

I do and so do other people here who do some really good work (e.g. malland (aka Mitch)). I used a Bessa L with a CV 25/4 which was a true P&S and while it’s partially plastic it’s not really cheap. What about the Ziess SW with their 21 Distagon 15/2.8, it’s P&S and there is NOTHING there that is cheap.

Have to agree here. If the P&S forum is bursting on its seams, then we can talk about redirecting the traffic.

It’s not that it’s bursting at the seams, it’s more to get a place where we can hang out. Acknowledging that there is more to these cameras than you would find on a Holga. There is a separate group for Diana / Holga / Pinhole / Polaroids. Aren’t Dianas and Holgas P&S cameras?

Voted NO based on the fact that the examples listed are pretty much advanced digital p&s. I don't see myself coming to RFF looking for info and discussions about point and shoot digital cameras.

If it's more towards film advanced P&S, I'd vote for YES.

The discussions are here already. I am suggesting that we be somewhat more inclusive than exclusive. There are many great P&S film cameras and more P&S digitals come out all the time.

No So will the 'ADVANCED Point N Shoot' forum cover any compact camera with manual ability? What exactly constitutes and advanced P&S? Fully manual, semi auto?......

Any autofocus/manual focus camera that is not an SLR/TLR/RF. It can be anything, fully manual to fully automatic. Advanced is up to the poster. I would not kick anyone out (as has happened to us trying to post in the m4/3s forum).

Voted no.

There are advanced P&S as well as entry ones. Same is true for inter-changable RFs, SLRs, etc., and we don't distinguish those.

But look at the 120 space. You have 120 RF, Folders, Modern, Bessa III. Isn’t the Bessa III a Modern 120 RF Folder?


I think that issue is more the baggage that comes along with Point-N-Shoot from the 1980’s. This style of shooting and the cameras people are using (read adapted, selected or were designed for this style) have become more capable of producing some world class results.

If you look at the Ricoh GXR. If you expand the m4/3s and Micro PK Cameras forum what about the APS-C modules have bigger sensors than 4/3s. When the X-1 ships where will it go?

I’ve always felt this forum was inclusive and respectful. Not feeling that way today.

Thanks for the try. Please leave voting open for another week. I live in Chicago and I am going to try and dig up a couple of votes……

B2 (;->

 

[rxmd]

My request was to allow those using a higher quality P&S camera have a place to share ideas, experience and shots.

Well, it's not like they currently lack such a place - for example...

I do and so do other people here who do some really good work (e.g. malland (aka Mitch)). I used a Bessa L with a CV 25/4 which was a true P&S and while it’s partially plastic it’s not really cheap. What about the Ziess SW with their 21 Distagon 15/2.8, it’s P&S and there is NOTHING there that is cheap.

... if I had a question about a Bessa L I'd ask it in the "Voigtländer Bessa" forum, if I had a question about the Zeiss Ikon SW I'd ask it in the "Zeiss Ikon" forum. If I wanted to talk about any other high end point and shoot, I'd ask it in the Point and Shoot forum.

If I have a question about a FED Zarya, am I supposed to ask it in the Scale Focus 35 forum, the FSU RF forum (but it's not a RF!), or the Point & Shoot forum?

But look at the 120 space. You have 120 RF, Folders, Modern, Bessa III. Isn’t the Bessa III a Modern 120 RF Folder?

Well demonstrated! The problem is apparently not that people don't have a place where they can talk about things. There's nobody stopping anyone from asking stuff, if moderators feel it's inappropriate they can move it to wherever it's appropriate, and there's always "Rangefinder General Discussion" or "Photography General Discussion" as a fallback.

It seems rather that people have too many places already, otherwise this kind of discussion would be unnecessary. If you don't know where to ask a question, is creating a yet another place for exactly this question really the answer?

 

[FrankS]

I've had a change of heart on this question. If there are enough people who would like this, then why not? I view the active thread page as my RFF home page, so it really doesn't affect my RFF experience.
I would however, differentiate between high end film and digital P+S cameras. I prefer to minimize my digital exposure. Guess I'm not evolved enough to not concern myself about the image capture medium.

 

[kuzano]

Hey... wait a minute....???

Hey... wait a minute....???

If you make another forum, or advance the current forum to higher end cameras, where will I go with questions and to share images from the key chain digital camera that I purchased at 7-11?? Or, for that matter my camera phone?

I vote for three new forums.
Camera phones
Key Chain Digital
Advanced P&S

All in addition to the current forum.

 

[flip]

I think "advanced" is a moving target. The distinction will become very blurry.

 

[NDAv]

I've had a change of heart on this question. If there are enough people who would like this, then why not? I view the active thread page as my RFF home page, so it really doesn't affect my RFF experience.
I would however, differentiate between high end film and digital P+S cameras. I prefer to minimize my digital exposure. Guess I'm not evolved enough to not concern myself about the image capture medium.

If we differentiate between film P&S and digital P&S, why not film SLR and digital SLR as well? Actually other subforums can by film/digital: Digital Photography General Interest / Film Photography General Interest, Philosophy of Digital Photography / Philosophy of Film Photography, Film Critique / Digital Critique...

And personally, I think referring to cameras like the Olympus C7070, Ricoh GRD, Sigma DP1, Leica X1, etc. as "point-and-shoot" cameras is kind of elitist and snobbish...

What exactly defines a point and shoot camera? The lack of an optical viewfinder/rangefinder? If so, then the Panasonic GH1 is a point-and-shoot camera. Is a point-and-shoot camera defined by a fixed lens? If so, then the Voigtlander Bessa III and the Olympus E-20 are point-and-shoot cameras. Take your pick.

 

[BillBingham2]

Well, it's not like they currently lack such a place - for example...

It seems rather that people have too many places already, otherwise this kind of discussion would be unnecessary. If you don't know where to ask a question, is creating a yet another place for exactly this question really the answer?

It's not that there is not a place, it's the fact there there are too many possible places. And to make matter worse the volume of posts impacts the ability to find threads that have happened during sleep or work hours. Let me use for example how I use the Nikon RF forum. While I've used Leica Ms and Bessas for several year I switched a few years ago to Nikon. By having a separate forum to hold all the posts I can quickly see what's been going on.

I'm not sure about the film vs digital segregation as I think a lot of the issues, approaches and information are more similar than they are different. If you look at the Ricoh GR and GRD you will find they are much more similar than they are different.

Thoughts?

B2 (;->

 

[gb hill]

I vote no! this is for rangefinders, let's keep it that way!

 

[Spleenrippa]

P&S forum is quiet enough as it is- why make it worse by splitting it? No for me.

 

[ChrisPlatt]

What, no advanced *FILM* point & shoot forum, too? 😉

Chris

 

[toylas]

I agree with what someone has already said. If the P&S forum gets clogged up with a few of them, they would deserve a forum for themselves. Else they belong to the P&S forum.

 

[amateriat]

Simply: no. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


- Barrett

 

[rxmd]

It's not that there is not a place, it's the fact there there are too many possible places.

I don't see how this is made better by creating yet another place. Instead of talking about, say, the Zeiss Ikon SW in "Zeiss Ikon", "Scale Focus 35" and "Point & Shoot", people will be able to talk about it in "Zeiss Ikon", "Scale Focus 35", "Point & Shoot", and "Advanced Point & Shoot".

If you think you'll be able to convince people to use only the new Point & Shoot forum, you can also convince them to use the existing one.