SteveM(PA)
Poser
Cool stuff! Hey, is there a 4/3 tilt shift lens yet? I don't think there was ever one for OM mount...
Ororaro
Well-known
I am not one to bash crop sensors, but in this case it's really pushing it. If it was 1.5x at most, I'd probably get one.
Ronald_H
Don't call me Ron
mfunnell said:
You could still use a Nikon 'green dot' style focus conformation for MF lenses.
Of course the M mount would have to be re-engineered for AF (the horror!), but being able to mount old screw mount and M lenses on a new breed of camera can't be bad.
APS-C optimized of course means 'like Nikon DX lenses' but also means smaller and lighter.
It might seem silly now, but I'd bet my D200 and any future Leica M I might buy on that in a few short years someone will be offering an interchangable lens system that isn't based on RF or SLR technology.
To take this blasphemy ever further, maybe they can even engineer a version that HAS the RF, coupled and all.
We live in interesting times.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Nikon and Canon and Cosina will follow
Nikon and Canon and Cosina will follow
I've been ranting for a long time now that the DSLR makers were ignoring a lot of us who want a small camera body with compact wide-angle prime lenses. I expect the Olympus move is going to generate a LOT of enthusiasm for this type of package. And then I expect Nikon and Canon will get on board. My guess is that Cosina already has something in the works. At the moment I use a Nikon D40x (small, but not as small as the Olympus) with Cosina's Voigtlander 58mm f1.5 manual focus lens (with CPU chip). VERY nice set up for portraits. Now if Nikon or Cosina will come out with a wide angle prime manual focus lens useable on the D40/40x/60... I'll be VERY happy!
Nikon and Canon and Cosina will follow
I've been ranting for a long time now that the DSLR makers were ignoring a lot of us who want a small camera body with compact wide-angle prime lenses. I expect the Olympus move is going to generate a LOT of enthusiasm for this type of package. And then I expect Nikon and Canon will get on board. My guess is that Cosina already has something in the works. At the moment I use a Nikon D40x (small, but not as small as the Olympus) with Cosina's Voigtlander 58mm f1.5 manual focus lens (with CPU chip). VERY nice set up for portraits. Now if Nikon or Cosina will come out with a wide angle prime manual focus lens useable on the D40/40x/60... I'll be VERY happy!
dazedgonebye
Veteran
Fast, compact primes at 35mm and 50mm equivalents would make this concept more attractive.
At least f2 and sharp wide open.
The 4/3rds sensor's low light performance relative to other sensors makes this even more important.
At least f2 and sharp wide open.
The 4/3rds sensor's low light performance relative to other sensors makes this even more important.
giellaleafapmu
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SteveM(PA) said:
Shift OM lens yes. Tilt I don't think so.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photograph...olympusom1n2/shared/zuiko/htmls/35mmSHIFT.htm
(Never seen one in real life, I guess they are rear and expensive.)
For the 4/3 not that I know, but I think one can adapt one of these (still I don't see much point to do this with a camera which clearly is not born for still life or architecture):
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/379033-REG/Novoflex_BALPRO_T_S_BALPRO_T_S_Bellows.html
GLF
giellaleafapmu
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Terao said:
On this new one no idea, on mine (once again E-330) is barely acceptable (in my opinion of course). In any case for me the main problem is not how good is iso1600 as E-3 and E-510 are image stabilized (what about this one?) but rather a problem of dept of field, with a 25mm as standard even a f2 lens has quite too much dept of field for my taste.
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giellaleafapmu
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bmattock said:
With the E-330 there are two modes a live view which uses a different sensor and allow you to use autofocus or manual focus and in my opinion it is not really very good for focussing a fast lens and a mirror lock up mode on which you can select a very small portion of the image and focus very precisely which is great for focussing but almost useless for composing. I think newer models are better but I would not really rely too much on teh live view for this...
Focussing teh old way is possible but given teh small screen and the fact that it does not have any focusind aid (like a split system) it is also not ideal.
GLF
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
Anyone tried the OM 24mm f2.8 with 4/3? Any guess on how does it compare to the 25mm f1.4 from Leitz or to this new glass?
GLF
GLF
tom_f77
Tom Fenwick
giellaleafapmu said:
I've tried the 24/2.8 and I've been using the 21/2 a lot recently:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8943748@N07/2295807902/sizes/o/
http://www.pbase.com/tom_77/image/93544259
There is some barrel distortion, and some c.a. - the digital zuikos work better, but the old lenses have a different look, and with some quick work in Lightroom on the c.a. they are fine.
I haven't got hold of a 25/1.4 yet, but it's so big I'd have to pair it with the 25/2.8 anyway. I probably will in the end, since the 24 and 21 f2s would fund both and leave change...
It's worth noting that manual focus will be much harder on the 420 than the E-3, which I find makes these old lenses very useable. I never had much luck with them on the 410.
Tom
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
Good question. I've had my hands on a 510, but not with manual focus/legacy lens. Manual focusing with a ZD lens was a bitch, but that coulda just been me.bmattock said:
BillBingham2 said:
OM size lenses are mostly bigger than the new pancake, and would unbalance this camera, I think. Not that I wouldn't still use my OM fast primes anyway!
I'm not sure why they couldn't have done 25/2 (or 21/2) for this pancake, though. The OM 40/2 was da bomb for size; it's now too expensive due to its rarity.SteveM(PA) said:
Are you kidding me?
The 24/3.5 shift and 35/2.8 shift were (are) superb and are highly coveted by Canon digital shooters. The problem, of course, is that on a 4/3 sensor they are too long for architectural/interior work.Jamie Pillers said:
The "problem" I see with the 420 (at least for me) is that it may be TOO small. I've handled the E-500 and E-510, and they are at the limit of small for me. I don't have huge hands; they are wide but not long. I found the camera a bit cramped. I like the size of the E-300 better, though the E-300 is thicker than an OM. The OM and 35SP (and hence an M) have about perfect proportions for me.
Somewhere I've seen 24/2.8 samples from an E-1. Performed pretty well, but there's no way it would truly compete with the 25/1.4 from Leitz. If you want to try out an OM 24/2.8, let me know via PM.giellaleafapmu said:
FWIW, I found manual exposure control on the E-510 to be a royal pain. That and the layout of the controls (which is a contributor to difficulty in manual exposure control) are still the Achilles heel of this and other digicams.
All-in-all this camera is attractive, and if Oly (and/or others) can come up with some fast wide primes, AND if the viewfinder is good I'm interested. Live-view for normal situations isn't that important to me.
amateriat
We're all light!
On the digital front, Olympus lost me when they chose to abandon the core tenets of the OM system for the sake of being a digital "playa." Only now do they roll out cameras of a size/form-factor that put them on the map in the first place, while the E-3 smacks of so much me-too "sizeism" (while putting themselves at a perceptual disadvantage with that 3/4 sensor). This is why I still regard the C8080 one of the best digital cameras Olympus ever released. (Yes, I'm a little cranky tonight...)
- Barrett
- Barrett
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
Barrett: OT, but I've been meaning to ask you about the 8080, which I know you like. Tell me about the viewfinder ... EVF, right? I just saw that spec and thought "Oh ... oh well."
amateriat
We're all light!
Trius: Yeah, that's about the only thing that bugs me about the thing. But you know what? Compared to a lot of the things that aggravate me about a lot of digicams and dSLRs, I can actually live with this, probably because the camera won't displace my film burners, but simply stands on its own merits. It handles well, is reasonably fast, shoots RAW if you want it, sports a low-distortion, reasonably-fast zoom starting at a satisfying 28mm (equivalent), is ruggedly built...and Olympus hasn't bothered to come up with a suitable replacement. (Who's the guy with Magnum shooting assignments with this thing and loving it?)
I know all this because I recommended it for galfriend's older son as a sending-him-off-to-college gift, which I had the privilege of putting through its paces before handing it over. It's the only digital camera that I've actually liked reaching for, and that's saying a ton (my little Casio is nice, but the 8080 is in a whole different league).
One example, which was a quick, off-the-cuff snap (with the pop-up flash, which surprised me in terms of results):
No wonder the things are still going for good money you-know-where.
- Barrett
I know all this because I recommended it for galfriend's older son as a sending-him-off-to-college gift, which I had the privilege of putting through its paces before handing it over. It's the only digital camera that I've actually liked reaching for, and that's saying a ton (my little Casio is nice, but the 8080 is in a whole different league).
One example, which was a quick, off-the-cuff snap (with the pop-up flash, which surprised me in terms of results):
No wonder the things are still going for good money you-know-where.
- Barrett
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kalokeri
larger than 35mm
kalokeri said:
Correction: the before mentioned price was wrong due to some misinformation.
The pancake lens is announced with EURO 299,--. Bundled with the E-420 the price is announced with EURO 699,--.
All three - bundle, body and lens - should be available in the end of April 2008 according to the Olympus press release in Germany.
Thomas
GeneW
Veteran
Even though I'm invested in Nikon, I currently use a little Canon SD800 IS as a carryaround cam. I could see this little Oly replacing the Canon as a carryaround. I really like my D200 but light and petite it ain't.
Gene
Gene
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
kalokeri said:
It seems people around the world cannot change numbers easily as prices are now the same (number) of pound in the UK as are Euros in Europe as are dollars (whatever ones) in the US and Canada!
GLF
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
Barrett: Thanks for the reply; that's a very nice grab shot, and you're right ... the on-camera flash performance is very surprising.
Tom: Which shots belong to which lens? If manual focusing on the 420 is very difficult, then might make this a non-starter for me.
Tom: Which shots belong to which lens? If manual focusing on the 420 is very difficult, then might make this a non-starter for me.
amateriat
We're all light!
Ah...I think I have the beginnings of a whole 'nother thread here...
- Barrett
- Barrett