New guy - new R3A

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My first post, hello all. Today I got my new R3A and 40mm Nokton (MC). It's my first RF and therefore I didn't really know what to expect – I've never handled any other RFs either.

I started photographing some 20 years ago with Nikon SLR's, changing to a rather complete Canon EOS-1N set with a lens range from 17 to 200mm (no true need for longer) 5 years ago. Since then, less and less of shooting and good pics. I thought that was because of starting my own business and becoming a dad (which certainly increased digital snapshotting and videography!). But on my last vacation in Italy I got tired of towing the Canon around (even with just one lens). Also its bulk never went unnoticed and the corteous italians always stopped in their tracks as not to ruin my images. Which led to the opposite. And since my best shots ever were taken a decade ago with a Nikon F3 I had to conclude that auto this and that just doesn't become me.

So I sold everything, also my G2 as digital images suck, I just cant stand all that purple fringing, my wife's ixus i can manage that just as well...

So wanting to loose the bulk and get control of things, what else could I choose but an RF? And since we moved in a bigger flat this fall, I couldn't use all I got from the old gear to pay for the new. It was rather a coincidence I stumbled over CQ's pages just when Mr Gandy was at Photokina, offering the R3A at $499 and free worldwide shipping. With the dollar sucking dirt it was a no-brainer. But still, admittedly, a bit of a leap.

So today, handling the Bessa for the very first time, I didn't have any RF-experience for reference. Thus my findings are "unfiltered":
– Not pretty, but looks very solid in every aspect
– The shutter release feels good
– The dial is too stiff
– The AE lock is well placed
– The thumb support is not, for me
– The shutter sound: Someone wrote it sounded like "Thonk". Please – at best it's a "Thrak" with speeds above 1/250, from 1/125 down to 1/60 it's a "Thrarak" and slower than that a "Thra-Tak". Anything but solid. But I have no comparison, no clue of what a R, R2 or a Leica M sounds like.
– I have a face carved with an axe – a huge nose and strong brows, eyes somewhat deep. No glasses, perfect sight, but still I can't see the 40mm lines unless I look straight in the middle, which I guess is what you're supposed to be doing... The viewfinder is also quite far from the left side of the camera (compared to Leica), so my nose has me turning my head left a bit to get the (right) eye in position. Can't blame the camera for my lazy right eye, which makes shooting with both eyes open quite impossible as the left eye walks over it and I can hardly see the finder at all, even less the RF area. I do manage with effort, but then I could just as well close the left eye.
– The worst part of the finder is that the RF area view is vertically parallel only at the close end – at 0.7 meters. At just over 1 meter lines on a postcard are clearly on top of each other. And it only gets worse the further I focus. Is this typical? It's really hard to focus fast when you never get a sharp image in the finder, even if the shot was.

And the the 40mm Nokton. It looks like a killer, but the focusing – good grief! It's a real pain for me. Smooth is everything it isn't and the noise is annoying. And how should I place my hand and fingers to operate it? The best I've found is to have my palm towards the camera, my thumb on the left (rear view) "knob" (not in the "groove") and index finger on the barrel (why is it smooth all around?). Turning would be easier with palm facing right, thumb in groove and index finger on top, but then I block the viewfinder... If the action was smooth, then I guess all would work, but now it "jumps" if I don't pinch it for better control.

Tomorrow I will start shooting. Last week I also bought a S/H 15mm/4.5 Heliar, an interesting piece of glass. I've also had a Nikon V ED on my desk for 2 weeks now, but haven't had the time to get it operating. Have to find the time next week.

Well, if anyone endured this far, good news, just a few lines left. I'd be very happy to read your views and especially your opinion on the RF disalignement and the focusing action of the Nokton. Sorry for any/all spelling errors and a peacefull New Year. I also would like to encourage all to make a donation to help the victims of the Tsunami catastrophe.

Best Regards,

Johan
 
Welcome Johan to RFF,
I don't have any practical experience with the R3A but there are some here that do, don't give up on it yet! Get out there and shoot some film, I've seen some great samples from another member here, alansoon, of the 40mm and it's a realy nice lens. Looking forward to seeing some of your images in the gallery, stick with it!

Todd
 
>>And the the 40mm Nokton. It looks like a killer, but the focusing – good grief! It's a real pain for me. Smooth is everything it isn't and the noise is annoying.<<

Welcome to the Forum Johan!

I don't have the Bessa R3, though I have had the Bessa L, T, and R. The only one I kept was the L for use with my CV 25mm and 15mm lenses. Neither the T nor the R bodies did I like. Rangefinder alignment was an issue on both and they just didn't feel good in my hands. But I did recently buy the 40mm Nokton and must say my experience isn't like yours. Mine is very smooth in focusing and makes no noise whatsoever (or perhaps you were simply refering to the camera in the above quote?).

If you want a truly quiet shutter you'll want to buy a Leica M series camera. They give off only a quiet "Snick" at worst.

Don
 
Hei Don and thanks for the warm welcome. I am actually referring to the hissing noise the Nokton gives when focusing. My 15 mm gives some, too, but far less. And feels much smoother and is easy to "fine-focus" with just one finger. On the Nokton smaller movement gets sticky, "jumpy" – I'm pretty shure you know what I mean by that – two fingers are a must. But now that I've practised, I'm getting better response, with my thumb in the groove, index finger at 10-11 (rear view) and other fingers in my palm. This works when focusing from 1,5 meters to infinity. And maybe it'll smoothen with time...

A Leica is my goal further up the road.
 
About the scratchily-focusing Nokton, I suggest you email Stephen Gandy about it. My guess is that it isn't right.

And don't get too hung up about the quietness of Leica shutters, especially at slower speeds. At 1/30 it's more like "sni-schlaka-ick"; at 1/8 it's "sni-schlakakak-ick", and at 1 sec. it's "sni-bzzzzzzzzzzzt-ick."

At least with the R3a's electronically timed shutter, the only sounds you ever get are "Tick-Tock," with a variable amount of space between.
 
jlw said:
And don't get too hung up about the quietness of Leica shutters, especially at slower speeds. At 1/30 it's more like "sni-schlaka-ick"; at 1/8 it's "sni-schlakakak-ick", and at 1 sec. it's "sni-bzzzzzzzzzzzt-ick."

Jim,

Yes, but it's a very quiet sni-schlaka-ick, sni-schlakakak-ick, sni-bzzzzzzzzzzzt-ick. LOL!
 
Johan,

My Nokton was just a tad sticky at first but soon loosened up and now moves very smoothly and easily. But it never did make a hissing noise.

Don
 
I need to go to bed, it's midnight in a few minutes... but I just made an experiment: took the Nokton of the body and in my hands and reaching them out straight I heard the hissing sound clearly but not as loud – the camera body amplifies the noise. With the Heliar this doesn't happen, as its "insides" at the back don't rotate, the rotation is internal, unlike on the Nokton. Still, I've never had a lens as loud as the Nokton – and I've had a few...

Good night, or whatever time of day you're having.


Johan
 
Johan,

It's 3:00 in the afternoon here in Idaho and soon I'll be heading home from work. One advantage you, there, have over me, here, is that tomorrow evening the booze and good cheer will come for you while I'm still doing the daily grind. LOL!

Have a safe and happy new year!

Don
 
Johan welcome to the forum! 🙂 I was in your beautiful country a couple of years ago and loved it!! I do not own your camera or lens but your comments about focusing the 40mm Nokton struck a chord with me.

I too come from a photographic background like yours - completely SLR. I too am used to a focusing ring that is knurled in some way and that can be gripped with thumb and forefinger. Why is it smooth all around? Well because you are supposed to focus it with a finger inside that concave tab (don't ask me which finger is supposed to go in there LOL). If you try doing that you will find that your highly learned method of holding and focusing a camera doesn't work any more!

I tried really, really hard to use lenses with tabs. I bought two and I returned both because I simply couldn't deal with them, my camera grip was completely messed up and I got very frustrated trying to find a comfortable new hold and focusing method. I blame Leica - I can't imagine they did any ergonomics R&D before they introduced tabs however many years ago but now most Leica users are stuck with them and have managed to acclimatize themselves to the design.

I use a Leica M6 and this design flaw (which is what I believe it to be) means that I can't use any Leica wide-angle lenses. This is not a huge loss, unlike many Leica owners I'm not a fanatic and I'm very happy with my Japanese 21mm and 35mm lenses, but I sympathize with your problem and I hope that, unlike me, you will overcome it. If nothing else, being able to use a tabbed lens will increase the lens choices for you. 🙂
 
Welcome, Johan! Some other 40mm Nokton owners have commented on stiff and slightly jerky focusing, commenting that after "exercising" the lens (moving the focus back and forth to the limits) while doing other things results in smoother motion.

Earlier R models had occasional problem with vertical misalignment of the focusing patch. I believe this was solved by returning the cameras for replacement. I don't recall others saying the misalignment changed through the focusing range, though.

My Bronica RF645 has a slight vertical misalignment that is barely noticeable, but it may go in for repair some day. Also, misalignment like this may occur with "normal" use; I've had my Leica M2 rangefinder realigned a few tiimes in the 37 years I've had it.

Peter_n gives some good advice and useful comments, but has a different opinion on lens focusing tabs than I! I like 'em. You can learn where the tab is for different focus distances, and use that knowledge to roughly focus the lens without even looking at the camera... good for fast action shots on the street.

Learn to love the tab! 🙂 High-speed lenses tend not to have a tab, if you really want to avoid them. I've heard of people having their repair person remove a lens tab they object to... I look carefully at photos of any lens I'm shopping for, hoping to see that it has a tab. In some years some Leica lenses had the tab while in other years the "same" lenses did not.

You have found a reasonable way to avoid putting your fingers in the way of the viewfinder, and I in addition rotate the camera right-side-down for vertical shots for this reason.

This forum so successfully advocates use of RF cameras, I'm sure there are many SLRs left on the shelf gathering dust as a result. I hope you enjoy your R3a (or its replacement), as it seems a very nice camera (though the 40mm frames are difficult even without eyeglasses, as others have reported, same as you.)
 
Hello Johan and welcome to RFF. I am sure that you will grow to love RF photography, I did when I bought my R2 in 2002. I have never touched my old SLR since. I feel RF photography, especially with wide angle lens is very intuitive and it gave me better results as compared to my older non RF photos. 🙂
 
Thank You all for the warm welcome, nice and comfy here, mmm...

Just returned home and wanted to inform, that Stephen suggested that I send both the body and lens back unused to be replaced. So looks like a further month before I get to the fun part... sigh 🙁

At least I'll have time to set up the scanner and practice some with old slides and negatives.
 
That doesn't surprise me Johan, he is IMO a dealer of integrity. A couple of months ago I bought something from him, sent the funds and then had second thoughts.

He wired the money back into my bank account - no questions asked - when he could very easily have insisted on a sale.

Good luck with your next camera! 🙂
 
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