New photo app for Mac and Windows!

[CK Dexter Haven]

Not to hijack the thread but I feel Mac has complety forgotten the pro user. I don't care about IPhoto, sending and sharing little JPGs and music with the kids or any of the fluff Apple is building in. I want an OS that just runs my computer, nothing more. No built in apps other than a web browser so I can activate software when I load it. I work on my Mac Pro and that's it. It's a tool and nothing more. I wish they would creat an OS and leave it alone for 5 years. Leave things alone!!!

I dont understand this complaint. Why cant you just delete the 'free' apps you dont need/want? What is actually built in that actually gets in he way and cant be deleted or deactivated? iPhoto? Ive never used it and dont notice that it resides in my apps folder. Theres nothing in the os that shares jpgs or music with the kids unless you tell it to. What am i missing?

With each major update, a small subset of users say theyre going to wait for the bugs to be ironed out. While everyone else goes foreward without a significant hiccup. I finally upgraded from my old mac pro to an imac almost two years ago. Today, preparing for a move, i dusted off the mac pro tower and emptied the bay for donation, and i was just so grateful to have been using the imac for those two years. Yes, i do believe apple has gone seriously wrong with itunes, but other than that and not being able to run my minolta scanner software, i couldnt imagine going back or standing pat with what we were using five yewrs ago. Im a graphic designer and use the mac for my living (such as it is), and i appreciate how reliable these things are. Five and ten years ago, we all had mac technicians to do setups and installs and maintenance and diagnostics. Now, those hippie freaks are obsolete. The machines and os just Go.


Okay. Back to the regularly scheduled program.....

 

[Jockos]

I was looking through the Halie web page, but cannot find pictures of the interface, which would be very nice (maybe even a short video?). I did notice a few in your blog though.
My biggest gripe with Lightroom currently (except for the lack of inversion), is the tiny curves adjustment, which I find lacking when making small adjustments. How does your curves tool look?

 

[xyz3450]

Garry,

Congratulations on this software.

Are Sigma Foveon .X3F raw files supported? If not currently, are there any plans to do so? -- thanks Martin

 

[v3cron]

Hi there,
Can you let me know if you're using Mac or PC, and also explain what you mean by 'sequence', email me at gt@theescapers.com and I'll see what I can do.

Cheers

Garry

Someone already answered, but anyway... I thought this was one of the main purposes of this type of software, as nothing else easily lets you edit galleries for the web or even print (though InDesign is better suited for the latter). How else is everyone creating website gallery edits?

I'm on a Mac.

 

[BillBingham2]

Hi Bill,
The license is per-user, so we're totally cool with you running on more than one computer.

Cheers

Garry

FULL POINTS!!!

Very well done and thank you from the cheap seats.

B2 (;->

 

[Godfrey]

I dont understand this complaint. Why cant you just delete the 'free' apps you dont need/want? What is actually built in that actually gets in he way and cant be deleted or deactivated? ...

In recent versions of OS X, there are some apps (like Photos) that cannot be deleted because they contain shared frameworks and code that the OS uses internally for some of its operations; they are an integrated part of the OS deliverable.

This does not mean that you have to use them or that the system is sharing your data behind your back. It just means that these integrated-system apps must stay resident on the startup volume for the OS to access them when it needs code that they contain. The apps themselves are trivial in size and are not taking up much space—for instance, Photos.app is about the size of one of my scanned B&W raw files from the Nikon F6.

G

 

[thegman]

Someone already answered, but anyway... I thought this was one of the main purposes of this type of software, as nothing else easily lets you edit galleries for the web or even print (though InDesign is better suited for the latter). How else is everyone creating website gallery edits?

I'm on a Mac.

Fair enough, I guess for me, I don't make portfolios, I print, but just stick them in albums in no particular order!

Feature request noted!

 

[thegman]

Thanks. Do you have any plans to sunset support for Windows 7? If switching to Windows for editing is the answer to having reasonable backward compatibility in a non-subscription LR alternative such as yours, then I'll consider doing so.

No plans, the thing with developing for Windows vs. developing for the Mac, on Mac you target the OS level, on Windows (as a .NET developer), I don't target the OS, I target the .NET level, and Windows 7 is fully supported for .NET 4+ (in fact Vista is too), so I don't see Windows 7 support going away any time soon.

Windows 7 is 60% of the Windows user base, I think it's here for a while.

 

[thegman]

Garry,

Congratulations on this software.

Are Sigma Foveon .X3F raw files supported? If not currently, are there any plans to do so? -- thanks Martin

I just tried an X3F file, and with the CODECs from:

http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/codecs/

It opened just fine, I'm not sure how much the spec changes for the newer cameras, I'd be happy to try a test file if you have one.

Those CODECs are $9.99, we're not affiliated with the company that makes them, but Halide works very well with them.

 

[Lss]

It's very interesting and ambitious that you are implementing two separate programs from two code bases as a two-man band. I hope you are able to continue to keep them in sync. I'm sure there is a massive synergy as long as one of the versions is not just playing catch up.

I'll be checking the Mac version as soon as I get my new setup later this year. I don't plan on migrating to Yosemite on the current computer.

 

[thegman]

It's very interesting and ambitious that you are implementing two separate programs from two code bases as a two-man band. I hope you are able to continue to keep them in sync. I'm sure there is a massive synergy as long as one of the versions is not just playing catch up.

I'll be checking the Mac version as soon as I get my new setup later this year. I don't plan on migrating to Yosemite on the current computer.

Well, keeping in sync is the aim, but at the same time, I like the idea of having two distinct products, which can suit each user base. On the Mac for example, iCloud integration is popular, on Windows, nobody cares!

Also, stuff like third party CODECs are popular on Windows, not at all on the Mac, so it's kind of freeing, just to be able to write for one platform, and not have to worry about supporting a feature on the other.

We'll of course attempt to keep the core features the same, but at the same time, we won't hold back on version for the sake of the other.

 

[Godfrey]

Hi Garry,

I've downloaded Emulsion for the trial and acquired the manual to read first. Sadly, I've had no time to do anything with it at all this week.

I have a question regarding EXIF and IPTC data.

- Does Emulsion provide access to all the camera-created (or possibly injected by EXIFtool) EXIF data, like EXIFtool does? Or is it a subset similar to what Lightroom presents?

- Does Emulsion read standard IPTC data that might have been embedded in files (JPEG, TIFF, PSD, and PNG) using Lightroom, Adobe Bridge, etc?

- What about raw files? I have both native raw and DNG files. If I import them into LR and add IPTC data to them, then use the Metadata > "Save metadata to file" command, LR embeds any IPTC data into the DNG files and writes .xmp sidecar files to pair with the native raw files. If I import a directory of these files into Emulsion, will it read in the IPTC data from the DNG and the .xmp files?​

Thanks! I know a few minutes experimentation would likely answer these questions, but I simply haven't had time to try anything yet. :-\

G

 

[thegman]

Hi Garry,

I've downloaded Emulsion for the trial and acquired the manual to read first. Sadly, I've had no time to do anything with it at all this week.

I have a question regarding EXIF and IPTC data.

- Does Emulsion provide access to all the camera-created (or possibly injected by EXIFtool) EXIF data, like EXIFtool does? Or is it a subset similar to what Lightroom presents?

- Does Emulsion read standard IPTC data that might have been embedded in files (JPEG, TIFF, PSD, and PNG) using Lightroom, Adobe Bridge, etc?

- What about raw files? I have both native raw and DNG files. If I import them into LR and add IPTC data to them, then use the Metadata > "Save metadata to file" command, LR embeds any IPTC data into the DNG files and writes .xmp sidecar files to pair with the native raw files. If I import a directory of these files into Emulsion, will it read in the IPTC data from the DNG and the .xmp files?​

Thanks! I know a few minutes experimentation would likely answer these questions, but I simply haven't had time to try anything yet. :-\

G

Hi Godfrey,
Well, we actually use EXIFTool for access, but some of the more esoteric settings are hidden from the user, but we could likely enable access to all of them easy enough.

We read in XMP data, and it's stored, but we don't do much with it at the moment. However, if you were to read in a file with XML data and export it, those settings wouldn't be exported with it.

I think the simple answer to the last question, is basically 'No', Emulsion doesn't support external .xmp files. I will take a look at these external .xml files, as I've never used them before.

Thanks for the interest, it's interesting to hear about the different requirements people have, stuff I've barely heard of!

Cheers

Garry

 

[Jockos]

I was looking through the Halie web page, but cannot find pictures of the interface, which would be very nice (maybe even a short video?). I did notice a few in your blog though.
My biggest gripe with Lightroom currently (except for the lack of inversion), is the tiny curves adjustment, which I find lacking when making small adjustments. How does your curves tool look?

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[thegman]

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Sorry I missed this one somehow, right now Halide does not have a curves tool in the traditional sense, but we've got highlight/shadows tool.

Right now, I think the best thing to do is to try out Halide on the 30 day trial, I'm the first to admit that it's a 1.0 product and we've got work to do, and some people won't be able to leave Lightroom (yet!) but I think for a lot of people, we've got some nice features, it runs fast and we can react fast to user requests.

Cheers

Garry

 

[MaxElmar]

This is great news - thanks for sharing and congratulations on your release. I will D/L and check it out.

 

[photomoof]

Without support for older OS (Mac) I won't be using it. I have no plans to update from Lion due to too many issues with newer OS. I went to Mountain Lion and my Mac Pro will no longer maintain my monitor profile and I constantly get messages popping up. I wound up putting a new SSD in it and going back to Lion.

No Yosemite for me because my Wacom tablet will not work on it.

I dont understand this complaint. Why cant you just delete the 'free' apps you dont need/want? What is actually built in that actually gets in he way and cant be deleted or deactivated? iPhoto? Ive never used it and dont notice that it resides in my apps folder. Theres nothing in the os that shares jpgs or music with the kids unless you tell it to. What am i missing?

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Okay. Back to the regularly scheduled program.....

I think his main complaint was -- "Mac Pro will no longer maintain my monitor profile." He did not really expand on the symptoms, and as he noted his post was pretty much off-topic.

Which could be rather frustrating, especially if the profile itself is gone after sleep or restarting.

I never have monitor profiles which disappear running Yosemite, but it could be monitor related. My Cinema has some odd behaviors which sometime require me to restart the monitor, all sound related.

Oddly my ancient USB Wacom works fine with Yosemite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_j10xhIi5c

 

[thegman]

Can I suggest you post some screen shots and discuss features on your web site. In particular, I'm looking for information on filters. I use the graduated filter in LR a lot and would like to determine if your product has that and see what it looks like before I download the trial software.

Will do, and can confirm we do indeed have a grad filter.

 

[thegman]

Can I suggest you post some screen shots and discuss features on your web site. In particular, I'm looking for information on filters. I use the graduated filter in LR a lot and would like to determine if your product has that and see what it looks like before I download the trial software.

Hi George, I've made some quick changes to the site, so you can get some full size screenshots, and also there is a list of all the filters available.

All the best

Garry

 

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I'm going to give it a whirl now. Hell, having this kind of access to the dev team makes it worth the price as far as I'm concerned.

I'm a developer myself, so it's nice to know we have others here. Hell, we could even start a programming thread...