new r4 owners...

The CV 28/3.5 lens arrived today. Using the R4A with this lens is a DREAM. I have found my point of view with this camera!
 
back alley said:
my r4m has arrived.

i'm going to off for a bit and play but i'll be back soon...;)
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Ok, we want a quality reveiw, as well as a lens GAS update when you return.
 
I hate to be a party pooper but I was a little disappointed with the VF. When I bring it close enough to my eye to see the 21 framelines, the image becomes unsharp. When I push it away enough to sharpen up I can barely see the framelines.
Anyone else notice this? Could it be a qc issue with this particular camera at the shop?
 
i'm baaaack!!

wow, an interesting camera especially compared to the zi.
i measured the decibel level of the shutters with my sound pressure level meter.
if i took a photo right next to your head with either camera the db level is the same, around 70 - 72. a foot away and it drops to almost nothing. 70 db is the level of an average conversation, so a person would hear it. but that's at like 2 inches away from your ear.
the sounds though are different. the r4m is a solid click and the zi sounds a touch more hollow, like the shutter went off in a larger opening.
the r4m is a touch smaller but feels much smaller. even though my hands are on the small size i like larger cameras so the zi is more comfortable to me, plus there is a ton of sense memory going for the zi.

i think the r4m is made for the smaller cv lenses and not for the larger zm lenses. the 25 with hood is highly intrusive, without hood much less but still intrusive. the longer zm 21 would drive me crazy i think.
mr. k was very smart with this camera because it feels good and it makes me want cv lenses so i can take the most advantage of it. i think the r4m and a set of cv lenses would be a great kit and i'm probably going to go that route.
a zm kit and a r4 kit, both with interchangable lenses if needed, a mechanical back up if needed and a great camera on it's own.

my original plan will not work, i think...going with a zm 21.
i am used to the 25 on the zi.

but i'm thinking for the r4m - cv 15/21/28/35.
15 and 21 for thinking wide angle shooting, the 28 for (less thinking) hip shots and the 35 for normal wides and no intrusion into the finder.

2 seperate m mount kits.

i think i have found my perfect solution.

joe

i forgot about the finder...it's terrific. i don't think it's any less bright than the zi but it's physically not as big, though the rubber rings are interchangable.
so it's sorta like looking at the same scene but one is a smaller window.
 
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R4A Backdoor?

R4A Backdoor?

Just got my R4A today. No Pics yet (still fondling it). My R4A is a wonderful matte blk, but the rear door is the same as my R3A (speckled blk). Just wondering if this is the same for others owners? The ZM 25/2.8 only blocks a small portion of the VF not enough too be an issue (yet)? Now I have to decide what other lenses to get. Now if they could make us a 21 or 24/25 F2 CV or ZM !!!

Hopefully I will not have to keep adjusting the RF (like on my R3A).:)
 
photogdave said:
I hate to be a party pooper but I was a little disappointed with the VF. When I bring it close enough to my eye to see the 21 framelines, the image becomes unsharp. When I push it away enough to sharpen up I can barely see the framelines.
Anyone else notice this? Could it be a qc issue with this particular camera at the shop?
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with or without glasses?

mine does not seem to suffer this affliction, with or without glasses.
without glasses the finder seems amazing.
 
Why are there so many comments about whether lenses block the viewfinder? Except for the 21, all of the other lenses mentioned in this regard have previously been used with standard built-in viewfinders. (Yes, even the ZM 25/2.8) Isn't the VF the same in size & location as the one on the R3? Just different magnification, right? Does this make it more inclusive of what is being viewed?

A little off task, but I wonder if replacements for discontinued CV lenses will be built in pancake size?
 
Huck, yes, I think the lower magnification does make a difference and leads to more intrusion of the lens. Just think of it, when you look through an SLR finder you see a wider view with a less magnified view, WA lens. With a less magnified finder you are seeing more area so you see a wider field. It is relative, by time you are out to the 35mm framelines the Ultron is less intrusive than it is in the 35mm framelines of my M6, but that is because the framed area is relatively smaller. But, the wide area of the 21, 25 and 28mm framelines do draw in quite a bit of area and seem more apt to be blocked.
 
MtnPhoto said:
Just got my R4A today. No Pics yet (still fondling it). My R4A is a wonderful matte blk, but the rear door is the same as my R3A (speckled blk). Just wondering if this is the same for others owners?
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yup - that's the same on mine. it was a bit suprising, but not ugly. it's already grown on me.
 
rover said:
Huck, yes, I think the lower magnification does make a difference and leads to more intrusion of the lens. Just think of it, when you look through an SLR finder you see a wider view with a less magnified view, WA lens. With a less magnified finder you are seeing more area so you see a wider field. It is relative, by time you are out to the 35mm framelines the Ultron is less intrusive than it is in the 35mm framelines of my M6, but that is because the framed area is relatively smaller. But, the wide area of the 21, 25 and 28mm framelines do draw in quite a bit of area and seem more apt to be blocked.
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Thanks for the explanation, Ralph. :)
 
back alley said:
with or without glasses?

mine does not seem to suffer this affliction, with or without glasses.
without glasses the finder seems amazing.
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This was without glasses. With glasses I can't see the 21mm framelines. :(
I was going to unload my M6 and get the R4 but I think I'll stick with external VFs. I'll probably look closer at a Hexar for the AE metering! :cool:
 
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