New to Rangefinders, Looking to get a Leica M

Pirate

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Been into photography for a while and now a friend has gotten me to look at the Rangefinders and I'd like to try one.

I'm looking at a M4-P for my first try. I like Zeiss glass so I'll stick with that.

I've done 35mm and now full frame digital and medium format. The simplicity of the Rangefinder is inviting.

Any words of wisdom, suggestions, comments for an RF newbie?

P^)
 
Welcome to the forum, Pirate!

No words of wisdom from me, seems you already got your mind made up and an M4-P with Zeiss lens will be a perfect set-up to figure out whether RF shooting is for you.

I guess you already have chosen a focal length that fits you best and you know your way around film and how to rate it, right? If not, there's plenty of threads here on all those subjects.

Don't forget to jam a piece of the film box into the the flash shoe, it helps you remember what film you loaded and it looks sóóó professional 🙂
 
Been into photography for a while and now a friend has gotten me to look at the Rangefinders and I'd like to try one.

I'm looking at a M4-P for my first try. I like Zeiss glass so I'll stick with that.

I've done 35mm and now full frame digital and medium format. The simplicity of the Rangefinder is inviting.

Any words of wisdom, suggestions, comments for an RF newbie?

P^)

Took you long enough to get here. 😀

Pirate's a good guy, people!
 
Roger, Pirate is a True Believer© and is used to shooting his Blad gear with a handheld meter. I did suggest an M6 or MP to him earlier.
Dear Ken,

Fair enough. In that case, M2. No-flare finder and fewer frames: 28 is too tight anyway, 75 is only for believers in 75mm, and hardly anyone uses 135. Actually I do use 75 and 135, but the vestigial 75 frame is rubbish on the M4-P and I prefer the 135/2.8 which calls up the 90 frames (and magnifies them) anyway.

Of course if he really wants a cosmetically disgusting black chrome M4-P, and motor drive, mine is available.

Tashi delek,

R.
 
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Don't be surprised if you get a PM from him. 😉

Or me... I could use another M body lol

Roger makes a good point unless of course you are good with metering the scene with your eye, then by all means a bare bones M body is great.

My advice: Just do it and enjoy the challenge.
 
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Pirate,

Welcome. On my second start back with Rangefinders I got a new M4-P and loved it. Only reason I changed to an M6 was to be lazy. When I sold them both of a year ago or so I felt worse letting go of the M4-P. It's a solid camera, last of an era. Takes the critical RapidWinder II and load much quicker than an M2. No need to reset the fame counter when you reload and is much easier to find in Black.

There's an M4 in the classifieds that might get a third look too.

BTW, not every one likes reflected metering. While in many cases it's easier I prefer incident metering where ever possible. Less thinking.

Again welcome to perhaps the best photography place on da' Web.

B2 (;->
 
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If you can live without an integrated meter, M4-P all the way. 🙂 It is the newest of the electronic-free M Leicas and should last for some time. Just calculate the eventual costs for a good (!!) service.

Lens-choice is more critical and the only advice I can give is to spent all affordable money on the glass and not the body.

Cheers,

Gabor

PS: Welcome to the forum !

EDIT: You are located in Germany !?
 
do yourself a favor and buy a fixed lens rangefinder like a canonet or a yashica electro 35 first if you have never used a rangefinder camera. they are cheap, and you can buy one, shoot with it for a while, and sell it for what you paid for it. 2000 bucks is a lot to spend up front for a style of shooting you are unfamiliar with.

one tip for when (if?) you do decide to buy a leica. no matter which model it is, and no matter how much you trust the person you buy it from, go ahead and immediately send it for a CLA. it is completely worth the peace of mind knowing that it has been gone over.
 
Or... Do yourself a favour and buy a proper interchangeable-lens RF first, instead of an ancient camera with a limited specification and poor ergonomics.

Don't waste money on a 'CLA' for a camera that doesn't need it (and most don't).

Neither Merkin nor I is right, but I deliberately phrase my advice with the same forthrightness that he does, to show that two experienced RF users (40 years in my case) may well give you diametrically opposed advice.

Cheers,

R.
 
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Roger is, of course, correct in all of his points. If fixed lens rangefinders werent such an inexpensive way to get a taste of rangefinder photography, I wouldn't make the recommendation. Some people just don't like rangefinders though, and I would hate for anyone to shell out that kind of cash just to find they dont like it and then have to take a hit on a resale. FLRFs are pretty much all inferior to M's or Nikon/Contax RFs, but since you can buy one in good working order for fifty bucks, put ten or twenty or fifty rolls through it, and then sell it for fifty bucks, it is essentially win-win. Also, Roger is right that most leicas don't need a CLA, but in my mind, even a frivolous CLA is worth the money. You wouldn't buy a used porsche if you didnt know how long it had been since it had a tuneup, and the analogy extends to leica cameras. if you were buying a mint black m4 that had never been opened, and you were buying it to collect, a cla would be nuts, but for a camera that you want to take shooting, the peace of mind that comes from knowing for sure that it is well lubed and adjusted is worth the money, especially when you are spending that much money on the camera and lenses in the first place.

again, roger is right that if you ask any four photographers a question, you will get at least five different answers. both points of view are perfectly valid, but some are more valid for some people than others, you just need to ask yourself what makes sense for you. this is an INCREDIBLY informative forum, and there are loads of people that make me feel like an idiot on a daily basis (in a good way). you picked a good place to make your inquiries.
 
Thanks for the warm welcome, I'm sure I'll have a lot of fun here and continue my downward spiral towards being poor 😛 Gotta run back to work for the afternoon but I'll be back to chat some more this evening - Living in Germany, my time is a little off from most of you, Evening for me is Morning for ya'll...

Chris
 
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