nugat
Warsaw, Poland
Photo below is a frame crop at 800ISO, 1/25 sec. Epson RD1-s.
I got yesterday my auction-won new/used RD1 with uploaded 2.0 ("s") firmware. It looks mint condition.
I was a happy fresh owner until I took first pictures.
All of them have a strange vertical streak the whole height of the frame on the left side. It looks 1 pixel wide with some spill, and gets various colors. After a day's testing I notice:
1. The streak is almost invisible at 200 ISO, appears solid at 400 and gets stronger with 800 and 1600. Shutter speed and aperture don't factor. Also lens, focal lengths, raw/jpeg, Lightroom/Epson Raw/camera magnify view don't matter--it's everywhere the same.
2. I tried dead pixel correction (2x5 sessions) and long exposure noise reduction--it's still there.
3. It disappears on very bright or dark (black) backgrounds.
4. When in dead pixel search taking "black frame" (lens cap on) initially it was faintly visible, after several dead pixel corrections all the dead pixels disappeared (3-4 left) and also the streak is gone from the black. But it's still on the regular pictures.
What on earth is it? How to get rid if it?
I got yesterday my auction-won new/used RD1 with uploaded 2.0 ("s") firmware. It looks mint condition.
I was a happy fresh owner until I took first pictures.
All of them have a strange vertical streak the whole height of the frame on the left side. It looks 1 pixel wide with some spill, and gets various colors. After a day's testing I notice:
1. The streak is almost invisible at 200 ISO, appears solid at 400 and gets stronger with 800 and 1600. Shutter speed and aperture don't factor. Also lens, focal lengths, raw/jpeg, Lightroom/Epson Raw/camera magnify view don't matter--it's everywhere the same.
2. I tried dead pixel correction (2x5 sessions) and long exposure noise reduction--it's still there.
3. It disappears on very bright or dark (black) backgrounds.
4. When in dead pixel search taking "black frame" (lens cap on) initially it was faintly visible, after several dead pixel corrections all the dead pixels disappeared (3-4 left) and also the streak is gone from the black. But it's still on the regular pictures.
What on earth is it? How to get rid if it?
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triplefinger
Well-known
wow, it looks like a scratch.
I have an RD-1 with the "s" firmware update and have not seen anything like this.
I'd send it back.
It's a great camera IMHO, maybe you got a lemon.
I have an RD-1 with the "s" firmware update and have not seen anything like this.
I'd send it back.
It's a great camera IMHO, maybe you got a lemon.
capitalK
Warrior Poet :P
Unless it came with warranty or a good return policy I would guess there's not much you can do about it.
majid
Fazal Majid
Looks like a column of dead pixels. The CCD is clearly defective. I've had that with one of the 3 M8 I bought (new!) before I finally got a non-lemon, but not with my R-D1. You should return it.
Kawabatnam
Established
Photo below is a frame crop at 800ISO, 1/25 sec. Epson RD1-s.
I got yesterday my auction-won new/used RD1 with uploaded 2.0 ("s") firmware. It looks mint condition.
I was a happy fresh owner until I took first pictures.
All of them have a strange vertical streak the whole height of the frame on the left side. It looks 1 pixel wide with some spill, and gets various colors. After a day's testing I notice:
1. The streak is almost invisible at 200 ISO, appears solid at 400 and gets stronger with 800 and 1600. Shutter speed and aperture don't factor. Also lens, focal lengths, raw/jpeg, Lightroom/Epson Raw/camera magnify view don't matter--it's everywhere the same.
2. I tried dead pixel correction (2x5 sessions) and long exposure noise reduction--it's still there.
3. It disappears on very bright or dark (black) backgrounds.
4. When in dead pixel search taking "black frame" (lens cap on) initially it was faintly visible, after several dead pixel corrections all the dead pixels disappeared (3-4 left) and also the streak is gone from the black. But it's still on the regular pictures.
What on earth is it? How to get rid if it?
Unfortunately I'm afraid there's not much you can do. I mentionned in an earlier thread that I faced exactly the same problem with a just out warranty R-D1s (fortunately my quite old and beaten up R-D1 is still fine): it is a row of dead pixels, indeed more visible when the electronic gain (the ISO in our case) is boosted. It is still usable at ISO 200 and in bright light though. The only way to fix the problem is replacing the sensor, which is another problem... The irony of all this is that the more recent (so they said at Epson) R-D1s was purchased as a backup for the old R-D1...
Nugat, if you can, return the camera and get a refund, this is a case of "hidden flaw" if not mentionned by the seller. I wish I could have done that, but the sensor went wrong after 2 years of not so intense use...
Good luck!
Didier
"Deed"
Buying a used R-D1 camera is becoming a russian roulette, these days...
But what do you mean with "regular" pictures? The camera's jpg output? Because the jpg compression makes such dead pixel defects more visible - the compression algorithm is multiplying the defunkt pixel. On this sample you can see how one single dead pixel looks on the JPG - like a bright spot of several pixels.
If you work on the RAW files - what is anyway recommendable as you have more dynamic range and editing options as with jpgs - you will see that the dead pixel line looks less extreme and might be corrected with a photoshop action (to be applied on a uncompressed TIFF output.
But I know this is only a cold comfort for a newly bought camera. Nevertheless i hope you have fun with it. You may find lots of informations about it here on RichC's website.
Didier
But what do you mean with "regular" pictures? The camera's jpg output? Because the jpg compression makes such dead pixel defects more visible - the compression algorithm is multiplying the defunkt pixel. On this sample you can see how one single dead pixel looks on the JPG - like a bright spot of several pixels.
If you work on the RAW files - what is anyway recommendable as you have more dynamic range and editing options as with jpgs - you will see that the dead pixel line looks less extreme and might be corrected with a photoshop action (to be applied on a uncompressed TIFF output.
But I know this is only a cold comfort for a newly bought camera. Nevertheless i hope you have fun with it. You may find lots of informations about it here on RichC's website.
Didier
Pablito
coco frío
So..just curious....Epson is not fixing these any more?
The streak will eventually turn a reddish-orange color and then the sensor will stop working. This has happened before with some of these cameras. It's a sensor electronics failure. Unfixable without replacing the sensor and board.
The seller foisted this off on you and must be happy he dumped his failing camera on you.
Do a PayPal dispute and send it back and get your money back. If you paid with a credit card, do a chargeback.
You got taken for a ride. The seller must be keeping his fingers crossed that you don't notice or that you're a Casper Milquetoast who won't try to get his money back.
You got gypped.
.
The seller foisted this off on you and must be happy he dumped his failing camera on you.
Do a PayPal dispute and send it back and get your money back. If you paid with a credit card, do a chargeback.
You got taken for a ride. The seller must be keeping his fingers crossed that you don't notice or that you're a Casper Milquetoast who won't try to get his money back.
You got gypped.
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uhligfd
Well-known
Well, it may just be the film rollers or a fault at the lab ... Glorious old days they were ...
Oh, if it only were a film camera, I meant.
But now you have to send the new and fresh RD-1 to the landfill.
What a bummer, sorry.
Oh, if it only were a film camera, I meant.
But now you have to send the new and fresh RD-1 to the landfill.
What a bummer, sorry.
nugat
Warsaw, Poland
What a bummer indeed! I got it from ebay 15,000 miles away, cleared customs, paid taxes and now it's a lemon. I'll proceed with a complaint procedure aiming at cancelling the transaction. The ebay ad said nothing of the defect, actually advertised the "package is in near mint condition".
Piotr
Piotr
Wake up and smell the coffee, Buster. Don't try to let this guy stretch out the timeframe. And when you send it back, send it by a TRACKABLE METHOD, like EMS, or PayPal won't honor your claim.
You better pay attention to your procedure or your money will end up FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET, and the seller will laugh at you.
Did you use PayPal? If you did, you're OK.
Start a dispute NOW, don't let the clock tick.
You better pay attention to your procedure or your money will end up FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET, and the seller will laugh at you.
Did you use PayPal? If you did, you're OK.
Start a dispute NOW, don't let the clock tick.
gdi
Veteran
Epson may fix this on a flat rate basis - around $500 in the US evidently...
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55694
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55694
nugat
Warsaw, Poland
The 500$ Epson fix is for LCD, I have the CCD failing.
I filed a Paypal dispute and hope for the best.
Piotr
PS. What a pity, I really like the camera model.
I even bought a 1970 Summilux 35/1.4 especially for it at another ebay auction. Hope this one arrives ok. Not giving up on RD-1 as such.
I filed a Paypal dispute and hope for the best.
Piotr
PS. What a pity, I really like the camera model.
I even bought a 1970 Summilux 35/1.4 especially for it at another ebay auction. Hope this one arrives ok. Not giving up on RD-1 as such.
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Epson will fix ANYTHING for the flat rate. But why should you pay for it when you paid for a working camera?
You anticipated many happy days of rangefinder photography, but now your life has turned into a circus of horror, disputes, returns, anxiety and valueless expenditures.
The pleasure of receiving a beautiful new object has turned to into an unending nightmare, destroying your faith in your fellow photographers, one of whom sold you this hideous abomination that should have been a lovely digital rangefinder.
Every time you see the loathsome, glaring STREAK in your photos, your misery increases.
What a terrible situation. There can be no sleep or surcease of the pounding, relentless disappointment.
You anticipated many happy days of rangefinder photography, but now your life has turned into a circus of horror, disputes, returns, anxiety and valueless expenditures.
The pleasure of receiving a beautiful new object has turned to into an unending nightmare, destroying your faith in your fellow photographers, one of whom sold you this hideous abomination that should have been a lovely digital rangefinder.
Every time you see the loathsome, glaring STREAK in your photos, your misery increases.
What a terrible situation. There can be no sleep or surcease of the pounding, relentless disappointment.
nugat
Warsaw, Poland
I can only add it was not only the camera but three lenses. A handsome amount.Plus already carried local clearance taxes, duty etc... (out of EU transaction).
MCTuomey
Veteran
petrol, you a funny guy. maybe a little more exaggeration will help the situation, no?
the heart of nasby is the gearhead's abyss ...
the heart of nasby is the gearhead's abyss ...
Paul T.
Veteran
Re customs: simply fill in the forms, attend to the bureaucracy, and you should get a refund. I got my ££ from the UK customs in a similar situation. Good luck.
Gary Sandhu
Well-known
I had this defect in an M8 twice. It's only obvious at higher ISO's and slower speeds, so I wouldn't necessarily conclude that the person who sold you the camera is a crook; unless he refuses to refund you.
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Didier
"Deed"
If the sensor is really nuts, then you can make a claim at paypal, if you paid it with them. It's possible they force the seller to make an arrangement with you (refund, partial refund, whatever). If this does not work out, ask Epson for a repair estimate. But it might be too expensive if they ever do such a repair. I don't believe others than Epson offer a sensor replacement.
The customs fees and vat have to be calculated before you buy. Many consider the auction price as their final price, often ignoring shipping and customs (and eventual re-shipping). If you send it back to the seller, for any reason, you can get at least a part of your fees/vat back from your country, but it usually means running the gauntlet up and down, as they want every evidence of your re-export (all papers, correspondance, etc.).
Personally, I would not have bought it under such circumstances as this camera, more the R-D1, less the R-D1s, had a lot of lemons dued to a poor quality control at Epson. I had got such a R-D1 from an official dealer, Robert White/UK, declared as 'demo', but at least they were very friendly and worked out an R-D1s upgrade/exchange deal for me, based on the warranty I had. But without warranty, I woul leave my hands off such a deal regardless how cheap it is.
Didier
The customs fees and vat have to be calculated before you buy. Many consider the auction price as their final price, often ignoring shipping and customs (and eventual re-shipping). If you send it back to the seller, for any reason, you can get at least a part of your fees/vat back from your country, but it usually means running the gauntlet up and down, as they want every evidence of your re-export (all papers, correspondance, etc.).
Personally, I would not have bought it under such circumstances as this camera, more the R-D1, less the R-D1s, had a lot of lemons dued to a poor quality control at Epson. I had got such a R-D1 from an official dealer, Robert White/UK, declared as 'demo', but at least they were very friendly and worked out an R-D1s upgrade/exchange deal for me, based on the warranty I had. But without warranty, I woul leave my hands off such a deal regardless how cheap it is.
Didier