harry01562
Registered semi-lurker
There is a nice looking model 7s going soon, and cheap as of now...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7525989067&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
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7525989067. This is a very nice camera to use. If it goes for something around the current bid, it's no more expensive than the much more common P. And I know how everyone loves there P, I have one that I fondle frequently, also.
Harry
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7525989067. This is a very nice camera to use. If it goes for something around the current bid, it's no more expensive than the much more common P. And I know how everyone loves there P, I have one that I fondle frequently, also.
Harry
T_om
Well-known
I am curious... are those shutters still replaceable at all?
The reason I ask is that a repairman told me once several years ago that those wrinkles eventually turned into cracks.
Does anyone know?
Tom
The reason I ask is that a repairman told me once several years ago that those wrinkles eventually turned into cracks.
Does anyone know?
Tom
Mackinaw
Think Different
I kind of doubt that the wrinkles would eventually turn to cracks. According to Dechert, the curtains on a 7 (and other models) are made of stainless steel which is coated with an artificial rubber compound. Hard to believe the stainless steel portion would eventually crack.
Karen Nakamura, on her website, makes mention of a company in Japan that will replace stainless steel curtains with titanium ones. Not cheap at about $500.00 but this may be an option for some folks.
Jim Bielecki
Karen Nakamura, on her website, makes mention of a company in Japan that will replace stainless steel curtains with titanium ones. Not cheap at about $500.00 but this may be an option for some folks.
Jim Bielecki
harry01562
Registered semi-lurker
7s on ebay
7s on ebay
A valid question on the shutter, as this one is as wrinkled as I've ever seen. I've never heard the cracking story, but, I guess it could be a possibility. Shutter failure doesn't seem to be a problem with any of the late model Canon RF's, AFAIK.
My shooter 7s has mild wrinkling, and never exhibited a problem. It's the most common fault on the camera, and a result of careless film loading. I'd be most concerned if a wrinkle was long and deep. I have heard of the possible occurence of pinholes. I'd also speculate these could be touched up with a very light touch of
a sealer. Any of the repairpeople have any experience with any of this??
Harry
7s on ebay
A valid question on the shutter, as this one is as wrinkled as I've ever seen. I've never heard the cracking story, but, I guess it could be a possibility. Shutter failure doesn't seem to be a problem with any of the late model Canon RF's, AFAIK.
My shooter 7s has mild wrinkling, and never exhibited a problem. It's the most common fault on the camera, and a result of careless film loading. I'd be most concerned if a wrinkle was long and deep. I have heard of the possible occurence of pinholes. I'd also speculate these could be touched up with a very light touch of
a sealer. Any of the repairpeople have any experience with any of this??
Harry
djon
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When I had an F1 shutter replaced it cost $90...I think it's rubberized titanium... Canon authorized pro shop in San Francisco...they did expect wrinkled shutters to fail... mine, though working, was admittedly beyond "wrinkled".
(thumb misadventure in 1980...that camera paid for itself every week for a couple of years...I just gave it a $160 mega-CLA...a bronze beast)
(thumb misadventure in 1980...that camera paid for itself every week for a couple of years...I just gave it a $160 mega-CLA...a bronze beast)
kabkos
Established
The Canon originally used thin stainless steel but the switched to titanium shutter curtains due to the increased fatigue strength of titanium. The curtains are available, I have seen qoutes of $150 for the curtains alone with installation extra. Advanced Camera in Portland, Oregon, has installed the titanium shutters in Leica M series cameras (though the additional stress on the curtain tension springs were a concern). If the curtains are really bad, you can always opt for the cloth curtains since the cloth ones are the same size as the metal curtains.
Essentially any of the metal 35mm camera curtains can be fit into any cloth curtained camera.
Essentially any of the metal 35mm camera curtains can be fit into any cloth curtained camera.
Sonnar2
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I think wrinkling comes from keeping the camera cocked and unused for years. Photographs of the past cocked the shutters before shooting.
Nevertheless, Canon metal shutters seems to hold long and work precise even with wrinkles, and seldom needs a shutter repair when compared to Leica stuff. Of course, in general, a wrinkled shutter is expected to fail somewhere... With my Canon P and 7, both wrinkled at a minor extend, I see no reason why they should fail the next 5 years, because they working smoother and more precise than most of my cameras. And if so, there is a way professional repairman could help about.
The reason why wrinkled shutters are so common at Canon P and 7 is cost. For a 200-300 USD camera you need a better reason for a shutter overhaul, than "ugly" wrinkels. I will keep mine until it fails. I'm not sure if a new shutter foil will have the same weight as the old one, will stress the mechanism in the same way, will be the same precise or will keep 40 years like the old ones...
cheers, Frank
Nevertheless, Canon metal shutters seems to hold long and work precise even with wrinkles, and seldom needs a shutter repair when compared to Leica stuff. Of course, in general, a wrinkled shutter is expected to fail somewhere... With my Canon P and 7, both wrinkled at a minor extend, I see no reason why they should fail the next 5 years, because they working smoother and more precise than most of my cameras. And if so, there is a way professional repairman could help about.
The reason why wrinkled shutters are so common at Canon P and 7 is cost. For a 200-300 USD camera you need a better reason for a shutter overhaul, than "ugly" wrinkels. I will keep mine until it fails. I'm not sure if a new shutter foil will have the same weight as the old one, will stress the mechanism in the same way, will be the same precise or will keep 40 years like the old ones...
cheers, Frank
ScottS
Established
Must...Resist...Now...
5 minutes to go and still $256. Someone buy it before I give in to more GAS...
Scott
5 minutes to go and still $256. Someone buy it before I give in to more GAS...
Scott
djon
Well-known
Canon P/7 wrinkles seem universal (KEH, Ebay)... must have to do with ergonomics (!) 
Canon F1 also has a metal shutter and almost identical transport/body design/dimensions, loads almost the same, but I've never seen a reference (other than my own) to F1 wrinkles.
I wrinkled an F1 with gross thumbs in a high pressure film-changing situation (replacement cost $90 in 1980)...it seems easier to change film in an F1 due to the additional weight/shape of mirror box and prism on what appears to be almost the same shutter/transport mechanism...the weight and shape seems to help.
Canon F1 also has a metal shutter and almost identical transport/body design/dimensions, loads almost the same, but I've never seen a reference (other than my own) to F1 wrinkles.
I wrinkled an F1 with gross thumbs in a high pressure film-changing situation (replacement cost $90 in 1980)...it seems easier to change film in an F1 due to the additional weight/shape of mirror box and prism on what appears to be almost the same shutter/transport mechanism...the weight and shape seems to help.