Rob-F
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I've had both. I kept the 24/2.8 and sold the 24/2. The 24/2.8 is the better performer. If you don't need f/2, I would skip that one and get the 2.8.
Nikkor 24mm 1:2 OR Nikkor 24mm 1:2.8 -- BUT: Heavily Used!
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Sumarongi
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What are Nikon *blocks*? 😕
But yes, now I realise an additional benefit: When my children visit their grandma, at least the daughter in question can swap lenses with grandma!
Yes, I know the FM10 is not the most robust, so I'll have a look that I find matching light-weight lenses 🙂
jbielikowski
Jan Bielikowski
Wide open 24/2.0 is bit dreamy even brand new, quite an unique look.
mdarnton
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I have a 28/2, which is about the size of the 24/2, and a 24/2.8. I don't often have a strong focal length preference, but marginally prefer 24, and the lens that gets the most used is the 24 because it is so much smaller to carry. I usually don't miss the extra stop. I've thought about getting a 24/2, but then don't, because I doubt I would want to carry it around.
If size really is no issue, which it definitely is for me, I'd buy the 24/2.
If size really is no issue, which it definitely is for me, I'd buy the 24/2.
p.giannakis
Pan Giannakis
You're welcome. Here is another one taken with the same lens. In real life (that is not shooting newspapers on walls) the lens remains very sharp.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VpXa5CMP...7tMvLSPkkjaWFjKq6hDTI951wCLcBGAs/s1600/28.jpg
Sumarongi
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That's certainly true, a 24mm faster than say f/4 is a huge challenge; even Leitz were shying away from making a 24mm SLR lens until 1974, and in fact their 24mm f/2.8 Elmarit-R is: a Minolta Rokkor in a 420 g /0.93 lb guise 😉
Sumarongi
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Sumarongi
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Thank you.
Apparently, the difference isn't that huge:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/24mmnikkor/24mmf28.htm says:
Specifications:
Focal length/Aperture: 24mm f/2.8
Lens construction: 9 elements in 9 groups
Picture angle: 84°; Diaphragm: Automatic
Maximum Reproduction ratio: 1:8.8
Aperture scale: f/2.8 - f/22 on both standard and aperture-direct-readout scales
Exposure measurement: Via full aperture method with Ai cameras; via stop-down method with non-Ai cameras.
Distance scale: Graduated in meters and feet from 0.3m (1 ft.) to infinity (OO)
Weight: approx. 250g; Dimensions: 63 mm dia. x 57mm long (overall). 46mm extension from lens flange
and
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/24mmnikkor/24mmf2.htm says:
Specifications:
Focal length/Aperture: 24mm f/2.0
Lens construction: 11 elements in 10 groups
Picture angle: 84°; Diaphragm: Automatic
Aperture scale: f/2 - f/22 on both standard and aperture-direct-readout scales
Exposure measurement: Via full aperture method with Ai cameras; via stop-down method with non-Ai cameras.
Distance scale: Graduated in meters and feet from 0.3m (1ft.) to infinity (OO)
Weight: approx. 300g; Dimensions: 63mm dia. x 63mm long (overall); 51.5mm extension from lens flange
raid
Dad Photographer
Nikkor 24/2.8
I have very few Nikkor SLR lenses, and the 24/2.8 was carefully chosen It is an overall superb lens.
I have very few Nikkor SLR lenses, and the 24/2.8 was carefully chosen It is an overall superb lens.
Sumarongi
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Nikkor 24/2.8
I have very few Nikkor SLR lenses, and the 24/2.8 was carefully chosen It is an overall superb lens.
Great picture!
I actually have zero Nikon SLR lenses (I believe?*), just by chance I already have bought several Nikon items for my mother in law. Apparently I had something like *green thumbs* each time 😉
[*edit: not entirely true. I have a 15mm Voigtländer in Nikon F mount! Using it with adapter on a Bessa L 🙂 -- see https://www.cameraquest.com/VCSL1215.htm]
madNbad
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For her first camera, go light and small. The FM10 with a 50 1.8 would be a great start. If she’s taking it with her all the time, buy one of the 24s and keep it in reserve for when she wants more. Or buy both and give one to your mother in-law.
Robert Lai
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madNbad has encapsulated my sentiments.
You're thinking as an adult, not as a 10 year old. 10 year olds want things easier, and not be boggled with complexity.
I started my photography hobby with a Kodak Instamatic X-15.
No exposure setting, no focusing. The only decision was whether to stick a magicube flash on or not. Then, framing and the moment of exposure was the major decision. Keep things easy and fun for kids.
Now that 126 has gone into film format heaven, for my own 8 year old son (he's now 10), I bought a Carena Computer camera. This was offered by an RFF member from Lithuania. The purchase price was a lofty $20, with shipping added. It is a compact 35mm RF camera, with auto-exposure. So, now he has some decisions to make, along with remembering to focus. The main challenge is for him to remember to keep the camera level!
When I became a teenager, I moved up to a Canon FX with 58mm f/1.2 FL lens. That was way heavier. Exposure setting and focusing weren't difficult for me. However, the camera had mechanical issues which made using it not much fun. Complexity is good only for adults.
If you really intend to give your daughter the FM10, then just get the 50mm f/1.8 lens and let her have fun. Include some type of small auto-thyristor flash so she can take pictures indoors too. Primarily you want her to feel that photography is fun. The gratification of seeing your pictures return from the developing lab is fun too.
You're thinking as an adult, not as a 10 year old. 10 year olds want things easier, and not be boggled with complexity.
I started my photography hobby with a Kodak Instamatic X-15.
No exposure setting, no focusing. The only decision was whether to stick a magicube flash on or not. Then, framing and the moment of exposure was the major decision. Keep things easy and fun for kids.
Now that 126 has gone into film format heaven, for my own 8 year old son (he's now 10), I bought a Carena Computer camera. This was offered by an RFF member from Lithuania. The purchase price was a lofty $20, with shipping added. It is a compact 35mm RF camera, with auto-exposure. So, now he has some decisions to make, along with remembering to focus. The main challenge is for him to remember to keep the camera level!
When I became a teenager, I moved up to a Canon FX with 58mm f/1.2 FL lens. That was way heavier. Exposure setting and focusing weren't difficult for me. However, the camera had mechanical issues which made using it not much fun. Complexity is good only for adults.
If you really intend to give your daughter the FM10, then just get the 50mm f/1.8 lens and let her have fun. Include some type of small auto-thyristor flash so she can take pictures indoors too. Primarily you want her to feel that photography is fun. The gratification of seeing your pictures return from the developing lab is fun too.
Robert Lai
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I should say that I voted "none" for the reasons above. Also, such a wide angle lens as 24mm is hard for most people to use effectively. This is especially true of beginners. When she is more familiar with perspective being a function of distance, framing, and foreground vs mid-ground vs background distances, then you may want to give her a wide angle lens. But, let her get familiar with photography using the 50mm lens first.
Sumarongi
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Thank you, madNbad and Robert Lai.
@madNbad: Well, there's at least a third possibility: I buy both and take one and see whether it works w/ adapter on one of my Barnacks, Russians or M-cameras 😉
@Robert: I very much appreciate what you have written, and I guess it is certainly correct what you recommend when we have to do with a more or less *typical* 10 years old 🙂
However, my daughter: she's a *very* untypical soon 10 year old girl. She's to an extent a tomboy (is that word still pc? 😱), a Tae Kwon Do fighter, and she loves complexity. A puzzle with less than 1000 pieces? No interest! Re photography: Just a couple of days ago, when she discovered my recently bought Retina IIIc, she was immediately figuring out how to open it and how the controls work...
Hence, a quite modern film SLR having all the classic controls will certainly not overstrain her, I think.
But I'll keep in mind that I have to find a 50mm!
retinax
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I personally think, and certainly thought when I was a teenager, that 50 is difficult, 35-40 or even short tele is easier to compose with for a beginner I think. With a 50, you have to pay attention to fore- and background, wider or shorter, and ignoring one of the two becomes possible more often.
madNbad
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If she's that motivated, get the 24 of your choice, put it on a FM10 and let her use it till she asks for another lens.
semi-ambivalent
Little to say
I discount the 'get both if they're cheap' because you haven't given a price. Neither of those lenses has typical cleaning marks; those are small scale gouges. I've seen a lot of lenses that looked way worse than those but the glass was pristine because they had filters on all the time or the users cared for the part that needed caring for-the glass. lensrentals has done tests on broken front elements and, yes, they can take a decent picture. But you don't buy a 24mm 2.8 Nikkor for "decent" pictures. I'd stay away from these; there's less there than meets the eye, and there's lots of these online used in much better shape where it counts. If you can't pass it up low ball the seller and see what happens. And good luck.
Livesteamer
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These are common. I would wait for one with clean glass. A clean rear element is important, marks on the front glass seem to have less effect. The 24mm f2.8 Nikkor is one of my favorite lens's.
Joe
Joe
phrons
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Just because it's for a younger person.
28mm is the same as almost all camera phones.
If she is familiar with that angle of view, maybe it's something to consider.
All those lenses are great, and I think you are doing a wonderful thing. You can't go wrong either way. Good luck.
28mm is the same as almost all camera phones.
If she is familiar with that angle of view, maybe it's something to consider.
All those lenses are great, and I think you are doing a wonderful thing. You can't go wrong either way. Good luck.
Sumarongi
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Thank you 🙂
My daughter in question doesn't have a smartphone (or any mobile) so far, but she once in a while uses her older sister's, mother's, grandma's -- so she's aware of taking pictures without any controls, and the wide angle too. (I'd say, my camera plan has to an extent to do with my concept that too many electronic devices aren't that good for children, particularly for their still growing eyes.)
Less than USD$ 60, about EUR 50 for both together 🙂
Thank you, Livesteamer and semi-ambivalent 🙂
Well, I have confidence in my *green thumbs* regarding antiques and other second hand items 😉
Actually, that's also an interesting idea.
Wait, I have some Tamron Adaptall-2 lenses, so there's some more choice; 😱 haven't I recently written that my brain is a sieve?
(Being a parent of a quiver full means serious lack of night sleep, and that may cause brain-sievishness -- Alas, I didn't know that previously since I was a single child 😱) 😉
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