Luddite Frank
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I was looking-over my Nicca III, which came with a Nikkor 5cm /f:1.4 LTM lens, and I was curious as to which German lens / maker Nikon based their 5cm /f:1.4 lens on ? ( I am presuming this is the same lens formula whether LTM / Nikon / Contax mount ?)
Or was it a clean-sheet design for Nippon Kogaku ?
Thanks !
LF
Or was it a clean-sheet design for Nippon Kogaku ?
Thanks !
LF
furcafe
Veteran
The 5cm/1.4 Nikkor-S was basically an improved version of the 5cm/1.5 Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar for the Zeiss Ikon Contax.
Basic Nikon RF history here: http://imaging.nikon.com/history/chronicle/history_e/index.htm
Dante Stella's article on LTM Nikkors: http://www.dantestella.com/technical/nikoleic.html
Basic Nikon RF history here: http://imaging.nikon.com/history/chronicle/history_e/index.htm
Dante Stella's article on LTM Nikkors: http://www.dantestella.com/technical/nikoleic.html
Luddite Frank
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Thanks the info and the links !
Sounds like my Nikkor SC 50 /1.4 LTM is a keeper...
Sounds like my Nikkor SC 50 /1.4 LTM is a keeper...
x-ray
Veteran
I bought a very clean 50 f2 ltm just to see how good it was and wound up keeping it. I had the Millenium f1.4 on an s3 and it was up there in performance with my 50 summilux asph. I liked the millenium atleast as much as the summilux.
Dont under estimate the vintage Nikkors.
Dont under estimate the vintage Nikkors.
Luddite Frank
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X-ray - the very first "real camera" I ever saw / used was my Dad's Nikon S, with the Nikkor SC 50/1.4... he shot Kodachrome and Tri-X with it, and always had good to excellent results.
I now have the camera and lens, although both need major CLA & new curtains.
The other year I picked-up a very nice S-2 outift with the 50/1.4, 135mm, and Nikon vari-focal finder, and completed the outfit with a nice 35mm nikkor from a Forum member.
I have always been told that Nikon had excellent lenses, and my personal experience has not taught me differently.
I have had a hankering for a Leitz Summarit, but it's so tough finding them with undamaged glass...
I'll try the LTM Nikkor on my Leica next I go shooting.
LF
I now have the camera and lens, although both need major CLA & new curtains.
The other year I picked-up a very nice S-2 outift with the 50/1.4, 135mm, and Nikon vari-focal finder, and completed the outfit with a nice 35mm nikkor from a Forum member.
I have always been told that Nikon had excellent lenses, and my personal experience has not taught me differently.
I have had a hankering for a Leitz Summarit, but it's so tough finding them with undamaged glass...
I'll try the LTM Nikkor on my Leica next I go shooting.
LF
uhoh7
Veteran
Dante's article is the best I ever found on the nikkor, and inspired me to find one.
Yes its a take-off attempt, but is a very very different lens to the CZJ 50/1.5 which I also own.
It's optimized for subjects at about 2 meters, and wide open, you will get bokeh like no other lens on earth. It's like the Canon 50/1.2 swirlies but add a hit of acid. LOL
You think I'm kidding?

L1007319 by unoh7, nikkor 5cm/1,4 M9
For that trait alone i would not sell mine
In real use wide open this is the extreme Sonnar.
Yes its a take-off attempt, but is a very very different lens to the CZJ 50/1.5 which I also own.
It's optimized for subjects at about 2 meters, and wide open, you will get bokeh like no other lens on earth. It's like the Canon 50/1.2 swirlies but add a hit of acid. LOL
You think I'm kidding?

L1007319 by unoh7, nikkor 5cm/1,4 M9
For that trait alone i would not sell mine
Luddite Frank
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WOW !

ornate_wrasse
Moderator
The Nikkor SC 50/1.4 is one of my very favorite lenses. I use it all the time on my film Leicas and my M9.
raid
Dad Photographer
The OOF does not look smooth at all. The Sonnar has gorgeous OOF rendering. I have a Millenium Nikkor 50/1.4 and several Sonnar 5cm/1.5 lenses.
goamules
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That dog shot is a very poor example, and atypical of the Nikkor 1.4 bokeh. The Nikkor 1.4 was THE lens that put Nikon on the map, and eventually cause a seismic shift of photographers using Japanese gear instead of German. It is my favorite lens, of ANY, including Summicrons and others. Many photojournalists in the 1950s agreed, and switched to this lens.
It is extremely versatile, with close focusing ability to about 10". So it can do close:
Far:
It is extremely versatile, with close focusing ability to about 10". So it can do close:

Far:

micromontenegro
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I hate to say it, but since a fellow RFFer friend gave me the Nikkor, my previously all-time favorite Opton Sonnar languishes in a shelf. There's no 50 that I like better. Edited to add: Ditto on the bokeh. Typically, the Nikkor bokeh looks like hematocytes.
Paris2009001 by Aguaitacaminos, on Flickr

goamules
Well-known
Wide open, close:
Wide open, far (it can do a nice soft focus effect):
Portraits are are real strength, and again, you can get softness wide open, or extremely sharp by F2.
In my opinion, having shot the Canon 1.2, 1.4, 1.8, and the Leica 2.0, Tanars, Topcons, MANY lenses, this one beats them all, hands down. It does have a vintage look, it will not look "cellphone" correct for colors and infinite depth of field. Which is a good thing.

Wide open, far (it can do a nice soft focus effect):

Portraits are are real strength, and again, you can get softness wide open, or extremely sharp by F2.

In my opinion, having shot the Canon 1.2, 1.4, 1.8, and the Leica 2.0, Tanars, Topcons, MANY lenses, this one beats them all, hands down. It does have a vintage look, it will not look "cellphone" correct for colors and infinite depth of field. Which is a good thing.
Brian Legge
Veteran
Raid, the Nikkor OOF is definitely busier than most of the other sonnars. It tends to be sharper though - particularly up close. I assume the busy bokeh is the tradeoff for it.

The lens also has a moderate amount of glow when shot close to wide open, particularly when the subject is further away. It reminds me a bit of the Summilux 35/1.4 pre asph:


The lens also has a moderate amount of glow when shot close to wide open, particularly when the subject is further away. It reminds me a bit of the Summilux 35/1.4 pre asph:

Brian Legge
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goamules
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Frank, is yours marked "Tokyo" or "Japan"? The Tokyo versions are slightly sharper, wide open. I keep one of each version, and use the Japan one for soft affects at F1.4. Both are identical at F2.
Here they are being compared: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138957

Here they are being compared: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138957
micromontenegro
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goamules
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And here is my beer bottle shot. I think your lens may be broken, Micromontenegro. But I could probably make any lens look that harsh, if I tried hard. Of the Canon, Jupiter-3, and Nikkor, the Nikkor does have the most coma (swirl), if you look for it. Its color is warmer than the Canon, but less than the J-3. Comparison here: https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129340

goamules
Well-known
On Tri-X, stopped down, it's typically contrasty.

micromontenegro
Well-known
Nah, that is my best attempt at making it look as it is on drugs. The lens performs admirably when used sanely:

L1000187 by Aguaitacaminos, on Flickr

L1000187 by Aguaitacaminos, on Flickr
goamules
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Ha! Ok, I'm glad! Good shot in normal mode!
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