brbo
Well-known
So, Nikon's Z lens and Canon's R body INITIAL offerings are not be-all and end-all?! Shocker!
I think there are many (enough?) things to like in both systems. They need to stop people migrating from their DSLs to Sony's FF mirrorless cameras NOW, not when they've designed the perfect body and have 50 mirrorless lenses ready.
Archlich
Well-known
Be-all and end-all cameras like the D850 come at a price. Not all people want to shell out $3000+ for the do-it-all camera. Sub-$2000 cameras are essential in this case: if only Nikon released the Z6 first..
Anyway, I don't really see many people that would consider a $2000, 30MP camera to be insufficient resolution wise.
santino
FSU gear head
Yeah, but ibis could be essential (to me at least)...
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
Rumors are that preproduction Z6 bodies are starting to show up at some of the launch events, so I think I’m going to attend a second one Friday to check one out.
newsgrunt
Well-known
Kodak OWNED the dslr market...until Nikon and Canon came out with their own cameras. Will Sony suffer the same fate re:FF mirrorless ?
willie_901
Veteran
Probably not.
SONY is a primary provider for the sensor photo-diode arrays. So was Kodak at one time. The difference is SONY has a sustained history of advancing digital-imaging technology. By contrast, when Kodak was a primary provider for sensor photo-diode arrays, the digital-imaging business was a competitor for their film business. Kodak's leadership were veterans of the film business.
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
The second demo I attended Friday did nothing to cool my interest in picking up a Z6. They only had Z7s, but it was still good to handle them again.
I’m looking forward to a quality M to Z adapter coming along before too long. I remember how RFF went nuts using M glass when the first Sony A7 bodies came along - I never jumped on that craze because I don’t care for the A series, but the Z works for me and will give me a platform for both my various Nikkors and M lenses.
Happy days.
I’m looking forward to a quality M to Z adapter coming along before too long. I remember how RFF went nuts using M glass when the first Sony A7 bodies came along - I never jumped on that craze because I don’t care for the A series, but the Z works for me and will give me a platform for both my various Nikkors and M lenses.
Happy days.
cz23
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I recall reading that Nikon has not released the Z-mount to adapter developers. I guess they want to sell their own lenses. Not sure about the legal implications, but that surely won't stop vendors from releasing them.
After having owned a string of cameras with no AA filter, I'm sold on that approach, so the Z6 would be out for me. I'd like to see all OEMs follow Pentax's model of optional AA filtering.
John
BillBingham2
Registered User
I think the cat is out of the bag as lots of CNC machines over in China and their enforcement of IP is, well, somewhat lax.
B2 (;->
Archlich
Well-known
Kodak didn't make the DSLRs on their own. Everything other than the sensors are supplied by Nikon and Canon. Once the later two "came out with their own (much better integrated) cameras" like you said, they have no use for Kodak and its sensor parts anymore. It was written in the book since the day Kodak opted to concentrate on the consumer products that could maximize their film sales and ditch any serious camera efforts altogether.
Unlike Kodak, Sony is not just a parts supplier. It makes its own bodies, lenses and system accessories, much like any other major players out there. It's a different story.
Argentia1
Established
I have had the chance to "test" it a little bit at the Photokina fair.
Result:
- ergonomics is better than other mirrorless cameras, especially better as the Sonys and Fujis
- EVF is quite good, but not as good as the OVFs of the Nikon professional DSLRs
- the lens adapter is optimized for the latest Nikon F lenses, from AF-S onwards; you have no AF with AF-D lenses.
Nice camera(s) if you really, really want a mirrorless. But if you are satiesfied with your D3(s), D4(s), D5, D750, D800, D810, D850 I think you don't get enough to justify to pay so much money again.
Result:
- ergonomics is better than other mirrorless cameras, especially better as the Sonys and Fujis
- EVF is quite good, but not as good as the OVFs of the Nikon professional DSLRs
- the lens adapter is optimized for the latest Nikon F lenses, from AF-S onwards; you have no AF with AF-D lenses.
Nice camera(s) if you really, really want a mirrorless. But if you are satiesfied with your D3(s), D4(s), D5, D750, D800, D810, D850 I think you don't get enough to justify to pay so much money again.
Argentia1
Established
Some weeks ago this topic was featured in a very high quality (excellent reputation) science TV magazine here in my country.
They reported the same problems. There is also increasing hints that the high percentage of blue wavelength emitted by these displays in EVFs has negative effects on the eyes.
leicapixie
Well-known
I was pro photographer doing Fashion, Advertising and Weddings.,
All with long hours of concentration,examining the image on SLR's.
Major eye strain and headaches..
The M3, M2 and any M was a joy.
Hallelujah i was cured!
Using friends mirror images makes me sea sick..
I am sure those results written about are 100%.
Simplicity is always the answer..
All with long hours of concentration,examining the image on SLR's.
Major eye strain and headaches..
The M3, M2 and any M was a joy.
Hallelujah i was cured!
Using friends mirror images makes me sea sick..
I am sure those results written about are 100%.
Simplicity is always the answer..
gavinlg
Veteran
Had the chance to have a play with the Z7 at my local dealer here for 15 or so minutes today.
First impressions - I didn't think I would like it, but I ended up liking it a lot.
The body feels dense and solid - like a Nikon should. The controls were well weighted and well positioned and the whole camera response was lightening quick. Didn't do that Sony thing where turning a setting dial takes a split second to register in the EVF - all changes were instant. Control layout really impressed me - I was able to use it immediately without much adjustment and it has a nice, simple layout.
AF was super quick, shutter was very quiet and subdued, the EVF is massive and very clear - better than the Fuji's in my opinion (and I shoot with fujis).
They only had the 24-70mm f4 S in the shop, and it was compact, well made if not a little plasticky, and seemed optically superb. Zoom and focus rings were smooth and well dampened - much better than nikkor kit lenses of the past.
Body was made in Japan, and felt like it.
Overall, very impressed and will be watching for the z6 when it becomes available.
First impressions - I didn't think I would like it, but I ended up liking it a lot.
The body feels dense and solid - like a Nikon should. The controls were well weighted and well positioned and the whole camera response was lightening quick. Didn't do that Sony thing where turning a setting dial takes a split second to register in the EVF - all changes were instant. Control layout really impressed me - I was able to use it immediately without much adjustment and it has a nice, simple layout.
AF was super quick, shutter was very quiet and subdued, the EVF is massive and very clear - better than the Fuji's in my opinion (and I shoot with fujis).
They only had the 24-70mm f4 S in the shop, and it was compact, well made if not a little plasticky, and seemed optically superb. Zoom and focus rings were smooth and well dampened - much better than nikkor kit lenses of the past.
Body was made in Japan, and felt like it.
Overall, very impressed and will be watching for the z6 when it becomes available.