css9450
Veteran
I thought the problem with Nikon was the lack of a proper mirrorless line?
It depends on who you ask. Many have suggested its because they don't have a digital SP.
JoeLopez
Well-known
It would be interesting to see a sales breakdown of the models over the last 5 years or so. D5, D810, D7xxx etc.
One would think Nikon would benefit much more from something like mirrorless technology than a new expensive pro body?
One would think Nikon would benefit much more from something like mirrorless technology than a new expensive pro body?
jazzwave
Well-known
You are mostly on the money there. I still wish they make a mirrorless, fixed focal length camera to compete with the Fuji X70 + X100 lines. Like a digital version of their 28/35Ti of yore.
Yes, Nikon has Coolpix A (APSc sensor, fixed lens) to compete with the Fuji X70 + X100 lines. But they failed in the market, people love Fuji or Ricoh GR more .
~ron~
james.liam
Well-known
Yes, Nikon has Coolpix A (APSc sensor, fixed lens) to compete with the Fuji X70 + X100 lines. But they failed in the market, people love Fuji or Ricoh GR more .
~ron~
The Coolpix A used the very same sensor as in the Ricoh but in a larger, clunkier body and not nearly as slick UI. The software processing images in-camera was also different, yielding another 'look'. Ricoh has never lost sight of what a GR is supposed to be and this has kept its small but loyal audience.
JoeLopez
Well-known
Yes, Nikon has Coolpix A (APSc sensor, fixed lens) to compete with the Fuji X70 + X100 lines. But they failed in the market, people love Fuji or Ricoh GR more .
~ron~
I loved the images from my Coolpix A, it was a very nice camera. I waited until I could buy a Nikon refurb for $350. It had the D7000 sensor and fit easily into a pants pocket.
Vince Lupo
Whatever
EVFs are extremely easy to focus manually with their ability of magnification and peak focusing. In poor light they are a no brainer over an optical finder.
Only thing is that if you're used to wearing polarized prescription sunglasses in bright sunlight, you will have a hard time seeing anything out of an EVF (depending on the alignment of the polarization in your glasses). I tried a Leica SL for two weeks and in low light/cloudy days it was great - in bright sunlight with my sunglasses on, couldn't see a thing.
Vobluda
Well-known
Having try all three cameras both Nikon and Fuji failed in their product. Nothing to do with the market, both were simply obsolete when released.
Yes, Nikon has Coolpix A (APSc sensor, fixed lens) to compete with the Fuji X70 + X100 lines. But they failed in the market, people love Fuji or Ricoh GR more .
~ron~
james.liam
Well-known
Having try all three cameras both Nikon and Fuji failed in their product. Nothing to do with the market, both were simply obsolete when released.
Ricoh GR still out there and has a loyal, albeit small, following.
Not obsolete as its simplicity is its greatest virtue.
willie_901
Veteran
The pop-up flash is really great for easy and quick flash slave control. It's also good for a very small amount of fill-flash in some situations if you need it.
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My experience is similar. A very low pop-up flash power that won't affect the photo can trigger a sensitive slave flash, which can, in turn, trigger other slaves.
willie_901
Veteran
EVFs are extremely easy to focus manually with their ability of magnification and peak focusing. In poor light they are a no brainer over an optical finder.
This is my experience also with EVFs for MF in poor light.
Even in poor light the best EVFs have minimal lag (delay between what you saw and when it happened), but it's not zero. These also lose very little detail in poor light where high display gains are required.
Some EVFs flicker when the dominant light source is modulated (fluorescent and some LEDs).
james.liam
Well-known
I think the days of this class of camera are over. Nikon will now stick to up-market pro and semi-pro products rather than trying to compete with ever more capable smartphones.
Mostly over, but not completely. Lots of folks out there with an enormous amount of cash sunk into the F mount or too used to the way Nikons work to relearn another who may be reticent to change.
This is my experience also with EVFs for MF in poor light.
Even in poor light the best EVFs have minimal lag (delay between what you saw and when it happened), but it's not zero. These also lose very little detail in poor light where high display gains are required.
Some EVFs flicker when the dominant light source is modulated (fluorescent and some LEDs).
The Leica SL's EVF is really the gold standard. If they can match or beat that, they will have achieved a lot in regaining some lost confidence and customers. This will be a great boon for the Zeiss 'F' mount line. Great news.
ronnies
Well-known
This is my experience also with EVFs for MF in poor light.
Even in poor light the best EVFs have minimal lag (delay between what you saw and when it happened), but it's not zero. These also lose very little detail in poor light where high display gains are required.
Some EVFs flicker when the dominant light source is modulated (fluorescent and some LEDs).
My experience of EVFs isn't good. Admittedly I've only tried them in shops and maybe I've not tried the best. The last one I tried was a Sony A7 of some description. The main problem I have is the lag in the EVF when I move the camera about. It just makes me feel slightly nauseous.
Ronnie
Michael Markey
Veteran
My experience of EVFs isn't good. Admittedly I've only tried them in shops and maybe I've not tried the best. The last one I tried was a Sony A7 of some description. The main problem I have is the lag in the EVF when I move the camera about. It just makes me feel slightly nauseous.
Ronnie
I get no lag with my A7s and I moving it about nearly all the time maintaining focus on often fast moving horses.
I thought that I wouldn`t like EVF`s based on what I`d read so was pleasantly surprised to find they`re actually bloody marvelous
DavidKKHansen
Well-known
...Funny thing is I always get briefly excited by a new digi cam announcement, then realize I much prefer shooting film.
+1
Though I was close to getting two Nikon digital cameras in the past few years, they were the Coolpix A and Nikon Df. But after a while I felt the Coolpix A came up a bit short, especially since the new generation Ricoh GR was announced one month after the Coolpix A and that felt more of a "photographer's camera" than the Coolpix A. Some of the improvements Nikon could have added via firmware (like Ricoh does), but that never happened. And I was expecting the Nikon Df to be more like a digital FM3a. But the lack of interchangeable focus screens was a biggie for me. Plus there's waaaay too many buttons on the Df to be a simplified digital back for my manual focus F-mount lenses.
I feel it's regrettable that Nikon didn't follow up on those two cameras with tweaks and releasing a version 2 of those cameras. So close, Nikon. So close.
Hope the D850 is a winner for Nikon regardless.
Gregm61
Well-known
So, you think the thread title is a bit over the top?.
Until it actually exists.....yes.
phrons
Established
Isn't the battle when it comes to Nikon vs Canon is the AF and the professional services tiers?
It seems to me that it has nothing really to do with the camera body and features at all (the AF advantage canon has is in the lens, thats why they went from FD to EOS).
For reference, I have a Nikon S2 and F3 as my main 35mm shooters.
It seems to me that it has nothing really to do with the camera body and features at all (the AF advantage canon has is in the lens, thats why they went from FD to EOS).
For reference, I have a Nikon S2 and F3 as my main 35mm shooters.
kxl
Social Documentary
The reason I did not upgrade from a D800e to a D810 was to see what's next. This is it.
I'm in. And if this becomes generally available by Q1 2018, the timing would be perfect for me.
I'm in. And if this becomes generally available by Q1 2018, the timing would be perfect for me.
Ronald M
Veteran
The pop-up flash is really great for easy and quick flash slave control. It's also good for a very small amount of fill-flash in some situations if you need it.
Running around on weddings and commercial events I have made use of these features on many occasions. Of course it's not "the best" solution, but "the best" option is not always possible to have on hand or perhaps your flash/radio trigger batteries just ran out at the end of a long session or event.
So that's really disappointing to me if true.
I want to pick up another D800 or two for my business so new D8xx is good though for me being able to pick them up cheaper.
As you discovered, the best flash is the one you have. I have brackets and two 950, but the one on camera is best.
Dual finder. Where do I preorder?
It depends on who you ask. Many have suggested its because they don't have a digital SP.
I'm not sure a digital SP is going to make them successful again. Too niche no?
Timmyjoe
Veteran
Well it looks like the EVF was an incorrect rumor. What I've seen posted today is that the D850 will be a standard DSLR with OVF, no Hybrid VF or EVF.
Best,
-Tim
Best,
-Tim
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